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Re: [All] domain data category section proposal, please review

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:43:48 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czpLmVfeq+kLQwUyy7NfgSOj_rg2T1ByG9UQKw6dzxcaTg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>
Cc: Thomas Ruedesheim <thomas.ruedesheim@lucysoftware.com>, "<public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Hi Arle, Thomas, all,

thanks for your feedback, Thomas, I'll fix the typos you found.

2012/6/25 Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

> Was this an area where the ISO data category registry might come into
> play?
>

No - this proposal is "data category agnostic". The idea is to provide a
mechanism to map existing value lists (like the one Thomas mentioned).


> That is, could we declare an agreed upon selection of fairly broad
> top-level domains to promote interoperability while still allowing for
> specification by users?
>


After our discussion in Dublin and quite a few mails about this, see e.g.
the summary at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0165.html
or David's proposal at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0079.html

I don't see an agreement for even top level domains.



>
> Unfortunately there is a lot of complexity around this issue in general
> that we will not resolve and that may indeed be fundamentally unresolvable.
> But perhaps using the DCR as a place where domain ontologies can be
> declared in an authoritative resource and pointed to we could at least
> provide a way for someone to share what they mean.
>


There are so many running systems using their own value lists for domain -
I wouldn't expect that Lucy software or others would change their systems.
The benefit they would get with the proposal in this thread is that
connecting systems (e.g. MT + CMS) gets easier.

Of course one could point users to what codes they should use. The dublin
core subject field I have put into the draft is such a pointer. In addition
I would be happy to name DCR as another area to look into, like TAUS top
level categories, Let's MT top level categories, etc. That is, of course we
want people to be aware of DCR.

I also saw your question wrt DCR in the other thread, but I also don't
recall an area where we would have a direct dependency. But as I said
above, it would be good to inform readers of ITS 2.0 about where relying on
DCR makes sense.

A related question: if I want to refer to DCR in an HTML "meta" element,
how would the DCR "scheme" be identified? Here is an example from dublin
core:

<meta name="DCTERMS.issued" scheme="DCTERMS.W3CDTF" content="2003-11-01" />


If there is an approach to do that with DCR, I think we should have an
example about it in ITS 2.0. Maybe you can check with the DCR experts in
Madrid?


Best,

Felix


>
> Arle
>
> --
> Arle Lommel
> Berlin, Germany
> Skype: arle_lommel
> Phone (US): +1 707 709 8650
>
> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 16:02, "Thomas Ruedesheim" <
> thomas.ruedesheim@lucysoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Felix,
>
> I agree with your proposal. (There are just 2 typos in the examples: "" in
> domainPointer attributes.)
> Lucy's MT engine accepts a global SUBJECT_AREAS parameter holding a list
> of domain names. Domains are organized in a hierarchy.
> Here is a short excerpt (first 2 levels):
>   General Vocabulary
>     Common Social Voc.
>       Art & Literature
>       Ecology, Environment Protection
>       Economy & Trade
>       Law & Legal Science
>       ...
>     Common Technical Voc.
>       Agriculture & Fishing
>       Civil Engineering
>       Data Processing
>       ...
> We will read the meta data and apply the mapping. Of course, the mapping
> is specific for the used MT tool.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
> *Sent:* Montag, 25. Juni 2012 08:48
> *To:* public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> *Subject:* [All] domain data category section proposal, please review
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have created a proposal for the domain data category, see attachment.
> This would resolve ISSUE-11, with the input from ACTION-87 taken into
> account.
>
> Declan, Thomas, I think this is esp. important for you - we need to know
> whether an implementation as described would be feasible and useful for
> you. Of course, others, feel welcome to contribute.
>
> Please make comments in this thread - I will use them to provide another
> version of the section.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Felix
>
> --
> Felix Sasaki
> DFKI / W3C Fellow
>
>


-- 
Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow
Received on Monday, 25 June 2012 14:44:23 UTC

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