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Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:30:48 +0100
Message-ID: <51255CA8.30506@w3.org>
To: public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
+1. I agree that this would not be a big issue.

Felix

Am 21.02.13 00:25, schrieb Yves Savourel:
> Hi David, Phil, all,
>
> To be honest I'm not sure why adding this item in the list of values for issue type would be a big problem.
> We are making much more demanding changes to the specifications in other places.
>
> Phil noted 2 possible users for the values, an when you look at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/its20-tool-specific-mappings.html (which lists the origin of the current type values), you can see several values that have only one declared 'user'.
>
> I think that value could be useful (as long as its difference with the Localization Quality Rating is well explained).
>
> cheers,
> -yves
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:55 AM
> To: Phil Ritchie
> Cc: Dave Lewis; public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> Subject: Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)
>
> Phil, trying to see if this has moved. There has been no traffic on this one as of Feb 5 and the meeting of Feb 6 seems only to have restated that the category would be produced and consumed between Digital Linguistics and Vistatec.
>
> While I am aware that this would formally provide two implementers, my impression is that this new value has not had sufficient traction.
> Any thoughts, comments?
> Thanks
> dF
>
> Dr. David Filip
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> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie> wrote:
>> Dave
>>
>> Digital Linguistics will implement as "producer" and VistaTEC will
>> implement as "consumer".
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
>> To:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org,
>> Date:        03/02/2013 19:59
>> Subject:        Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
>> "conformance"   Issue  Type)
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Phil,
>> We need to reach a resolution on ISSUE-63, on the inclusion of the
>> suggested conformance type to the values for lqi type.
>>
>> As discussed on the 7th Jan call
>> (http://www.w3.org/2013/01/07-mlw-lt-minutes.html#item04), to advance
>> this we need to find another supporter who'd be willing to implement
>> this. Did you find anyone else interested in adding this type?
>>
>> I suggest we review the status of this on this wed (6th Feb) call, but
>> if we can find no one else who is interested then we reject this comment.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 14/12/2012 16:49, Phil Ritchie wrote:
>> All
>>
>> Per sample output:
>>
>> !DOCTYPE html
>> <html>
>>         <head>
>>         </head>
>>         <body>
>>                 <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
>> its-loc-quality-severity="2.45">En outre, vous pouvez sélectionner
>> l'option capture d'écran, ce qui permet de prendre une capture d'écran
>> n'importe où dans Windows et l'insérer dans votre document.</span>
>>                 <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
>> its-loc-quality-severity="1.46">Partage de documents a également été
>> améliorée, avec plusieurs personnes de travailler sur un document en
>> même temps en ligne, même si je n'étais pas en mesure de tester cette
>> fonctionnalité.</span>
>>                 <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
>> its-loc-quality-severity="4.3">À l'instar des autres applications
>> Office 2010, Excel dispose de nouveaux outils pour le partage des
>> données avec d'autres personnes, y compris plusieurs personnes
>> travaillant sur un document à la fois.</span>
>>         <body>
>> </html>
>>
>> Existing tools that would utilise the the error types are Review
>> Sentinel published by Digital Linguistics (http://www.digitallinguistics.com).
>> Implementation could be done by late February 2013. Also, the VistaTEC
>> Reviewer's Workbench as part of our deliverables. Some implementation
>> dependency upon mapping in Xliff.
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
>> To:        Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>,
>> Cc:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
>> Date:        14/12/2012 09:46
>> Subject:        issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
>> "conformance"  Issue Type)
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Phil. This is now issue-63. When we discuss this we need to
>> take the "stability aspect"
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
>> /2012Dec/0020.html
>> and the "existing tools" aspect
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
>> /2012Dec/0004.html
>> See in the latter mail the part
>> "the other types where based on what existing tools or  standards
>> initiatives produce. "
>>
>> Can you provide some input on that part?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> Am 14.12.12 08:27, schrieb Phil Ritchie:
>> I would like to propose the addition of "conformance" to Appendix C
>> (Values for the Localization Quality Issue Type).
>>
>> The values in the appendix cover specific and discrete classes of
>> error (putting "other" and "unintelligible" to one side). When you
>> start to apply new text classification based quality checking methods
>> to text several error classes may combine in subtle ways to produce a
>> measure of quality that is "aggregate" across error types but
>> none-the-less accurately indicative that something is wrong. For
>> example, a target sentence may be deemed to have poor conformance when
>> measured against a corpus of domain relevant reference translations. A
>> score would reflect this poor conformance but the underlying errors
>> within the sentence could be a mixture of grammar, spelling, style
>> and/or terminology. In such instances you may not need to explicitly
>> enumerate all of the combining errors and the extent of their contribution to the score, but just classify it under and umbrella term of "conformance".
>>
>> The proposed information for the "conformance" value would be as follows:
>>
>> Value
>>
>> conformance
>>
>> Description
>>
>> The content is deemed to have a level of conformance to a reference corpus.
>> Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
>> given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
>> produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
>>
>> Example
>>
>> "The harbour connected which to printer is busy or configared not properly."
>> In a system which uses classification techniques this would be deemed
>> to have poor conformance. The poor conformance is a function of the
>> combined incorrect terminology, wrong spelling and bad grammar.
>>
>> Scope
>>
>> S or T
>>
>> Notes
>>
>> Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
>> given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
>> produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
>>
>> Phil Ritchie
>>
>>
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