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Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)

From: Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:50:18 +0000
To: "Yves Savourel" <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Message-ID: <7F068AB3-1240-458C-B368-425075A172BF@vistatec.ie>
Cc: "Dr. David Filip" <David.Filip@ul.ie>, "public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org>

Thanks for your support Yves.

I actually met with McAfee yesterday where I talked through our poster
[ and unofficially practiced my presentation ;-) ] and whilst I cannot say
they will be an implementer in the short term we did discuss real workflow
scenarios where my requested attribute value would be used.

I have met all of the formal requirements, it's certainly less work than
some of the other refactoring and no-one has raised any objections so can
we please just accept it at this stage?

Phil



On 20 Feb 2013, at 23:25, "Yves Savourel" <ysavourel@enlaso.com> wrote:

> Hi David, Phil, all,
>
> To be honest I'm not sure why adding this item in the list of values for
issue type would be a big problem.
> We are making much more demanding changes to the specifications in other
places.
>
> Phil noted 2 possible users for the values, an when you look at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/its20-tool-specific-mappings.html
(which lists the origin of the current type values), you can see several
values that have only one declared 'user'.
>
> I think that value could be useful (as long as its difference with the
Localization Quality Rating is well explained).
>
> cheers,
> -yves
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:55 AM
> To: Phil Ritchie
> Cc: Dave Lewis; public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> Subject: Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
"conformance" Issue Type)
>
> Phil, trying to see if this has moved. There has been no traffic on this
one as of Feb 5 and the meeting of Feb 6 seems only to have restated that
the category would be produced and consumed between Digital Linguistics and
Vistatec.
>
> While I am aware that this would formally provide two implementers, my
impression is that this new value has not had sufficient traction.
> Any thoughts, comments?
> Thanks
> dF
>
> Dr. David Filip
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>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie> wrote:
> > Dave
> >
> > Digital Linguistics will implement as "producer" and VistaTEC will
> > implement as "consumer".
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:        Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
> > To:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org,
> > Date:        03/02/2013 19:59
> > Subject:        Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> > "conformance"   Issue  Type)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Phil,
> > We need to reach a resolution on ISSUE-63, on the inclusion of the
> > suggested conformance type to the values for lqi type.
> >
> > As discussed on the 7th Jan call
> > (http://www.w3.org/2013/01/07-mlw-lt-minutes.html#item04), to advance
> > this we need to find another supporter who'd be willing to implement
> > this. Did you find anyone else interested in adding this type?
> >
> > I suggest we review the status of this on this wed (6th Feb) call, but
> > if we can find no one else who is interested then we reject this
comment.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 14/12/2012 16:49, Phil Ritchie wrote:
> > All
> >
> > Per sample output:
> >
> > !DOCTYPE html
> > <html>
> >        <head>
> >        </head>
> >        <body>
> >                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> > its-loc-quality-severity="2.45">En outre, vous pouvez sélectionner
> > l'option capture d'écran, ce qui permet de prendre une capture d'écran
> > n'importe où dans Windows et l'insérer dans votre document.</span>
> >                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> > its-loc-quality-severity="1.46">Partage de documents a également été
> > améliorée, avec plusieurs personnes de travailler sur un document en
> > même temps en ligne, même si je n'étais pas en mesure de tester cette
> > fonctionnalité.</span>
> >                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> > its-loc-quality-severity="4.3">À l'instar des autres applications
> > Office 2010, Excel dispose de nouveaux outils pour le partage des
> > données avec d'autres personnes, y compris plusieurs personnes
> > travaillant sur un document à la fois.</span>
> >        <body>
> > </html>
> >
> > Existing tools that would utilise the the error types are Review
> > Sentinel published by Digital Linguistics
(http://www.digitallinguistics.com).
> > Implementation could be done by late February 2013. Also, the VistaTEC
> > Reviewer's Workbench as part of our deliverables. Some implementation
> > dependency upon mapping in Xliff.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:        Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
> > To:        Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>,
> > Cc:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> > Date:        14/12/2012 09:46
> > Subject:        issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> > "conformance"  Issue Type)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Phil. This is now issue-63. When we discuss this we need to
> > take the "stability aspect"
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> > /2012Dec/0020.html
> > and the "existing tools" aspect
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> > /2012Dec/0004.html
> > See in the latter mail the part
> > "the other types where based on what existing tools or  standards
> > initiatives produce. "
> >
> > Can you provide some input on that part?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Felix
> >
> > Am 14.12.12 08:27, schrieb Phil Ritchie:
> > I would like to propose the addition of "conformance" to Appendix C
> > (Values for the Localization Quality Issue Type).
> >
> > The values in the appendix cover specific and discrete classes of
> > error (putting "other" and "unintelligible" to one side). When you
> > start to apply new text classification based quality checking methods
> > to text several error classes may combine in subtle ways to produce a
> > measure of quality that is "aggregate" across error types but
> > none-the-less accurately indicative that something is wrong. For
> > example, a target sentence may be deemed to have poor conformance when
> > measured against a corpus of domain relevant reference translations. A
> > score would reflect this poor conformance but the underlying errors
> > within the sentence could be a mixture of grammar, spelling, style
> > and/or terminology. In such instances you may not need to explicitly
> > enumerate all of the combining errors and the extent of their
contribution to the score, but just classify it under and umbrella term of
"conformance".
> >
> > The proposed information for the "conformance" value would be as
follows:
> >
> > Value
> >
> > conformance
> >
> > Description
> >
> > The content is deemed to have a level of conformance to a reference
corpus.
> > Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
> > given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
> > produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
> >
> > Example
> >
> > "The harbour connected which to printer is busy or configared not
properly."
> > In a system which uses classification techniques this would be deemed
> > to have poor conformance. The poor conformance is a function of the
> > combined incorrect terminology, wrong spelling and bad grammar.
> >
> > Scope
> >
> > S or T
> >
> > Notes
> >
> > Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
> > given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
> > produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
> >
> > Phil Ritchie
> >
> >
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