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RE: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)

From: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:25:40 -0700
To: "'Dr. David Filip'" <David.Filip@ul.ie>, "'Phil Ritchie'" <philr@vistatec.ie>
CC: <public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org>
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Hi David, Phil, all,

To be honest I'm not sure why adding this item in the list of values for issue type would be a big problem.
We are making much more demanding changes to the specifications in other places.

Phil noted 2 possible users for the values, an when you look at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/its20-tool-specific-mappings.html (which lists the origin of the current type values), you can see several values that have only one declared 'user'.

I think that value could be useful (as long as its difference with the Localization Quality Rating is well explained).

cheers,
-yves



-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:55 AM
To: Phil Ritchie
Cc: Dave Lewis; public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
Subject: Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)

Phil, trying to see if this has moved. There has been no traffic on this one as of Feb 5 and the meeting of Feb 6 seems only to have restated that the category would be produced and consumed between Digital Linguistics and Vistatec.

While I am aware that this would formally provide two implementers, my impression is that this new value has not had sufficient traction.
Any thoughts, comments?
Thanks
dF

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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie> wrote:
> Dave
>
> Digital Linguistics will implement as "producer" and VistaTEC will 
> implement as "consumer".
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
> To:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org,
> Date:        03/02/2013 19:59
> Subject:        Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> "conformance"   Issue  Type)
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Hi Phil,
> We need to reach a resolution on ISSUE-63, on the inclusion of the 
> suggested conformance type to the values for lqi type.
>
> As discussed on the 7th Jan call
> (http://www.w3.org/2013/01/07-mlw-lt-minutes.html#item04), to advance 
> this we need to find another supporter who'd be willing to implement 
> this. Did you find anyone else interested in adding this type?
>
> I suggest we review the status of this on this wed (6th Feb) call, but 
> if we can find no one else who is interested then we reject this comment.
>
> cheers,
> Dave
>
>
> On 14/12/2012 16:49, Phil Ritchie wrote:
> All
>
> Per sample output:
>
> !DOCTYPE html
> <html>
>        <head>
>        </head>
>        <body>
>                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> its-loc-quality-severity="2.45">En outre, vous pouvez sélectionner 
> l'option capture d'écran, ce qui permet de prendre une capture d'écran 
> n'importe où dans Windows et l'insérer dans votre document.</span>
>                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> its-loc-quality-severity="1.46">Partage de documents a également été 
> améliorée, avec plusieurs personnes de travailler sur un document en 
> même temps en ligne, même si je n'étais pas en mesure de tester cette 
> fonctionnalité.</span>
>                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> its-loc-quality-severity="4.3">À l'instar des autres applications 
> Office 2010, Excel dispose de nouveaux outils pour le partage des 
> données avec d'autres personnes, y compris plusieurs personnes 
> travaillant sur un document à la fois.</span>
>        <body>
> </html>
>
> Existing tools that would utilise the the error types are Review 
> Sentinel published by Digital Linguistics (http://www.digitallinguistics.com).
> Implementation could be done by late February 2013. Also, the VistaTEC 
> Reviewer's Workbench as part of our deliverables. Some implementation 
> dependency upon mapping in Xliff.
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
> To:        Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>,
> Cc:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> Date:        14/12/2012 09:46
> Subject:        issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> "conformance"  Issue Type)
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Thanks, Phil. This is now issue-63. When we discuss this we need to 
> take the "stability aspect"
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> /2012Dec/0020.html
> and the "existing tools" aspect
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> /2012Dec/0004.html
> See in the latter mail the part
> "the other types where based on what existing tools or  standards 
> initiatives produce. "
>
> Can you provide some input on that part?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Felix
>
> Am 14.12.12 08:27, schrieb Phil Ritchie:
> I would like to propose the addition of "conformance" to Appendix C 
> (Values for the Localization Quality Issue Type).
>
> The values in the appendix cover specific and discrete classes of 
> error (putting "other" and "unintelligible" to one side). When you 
> start to apply new text classification based quality checking methods 
> to text several error classes may combine in subtle ways to produce a 
> measure of quality that is "aggregate" across error types but 
> none-the-less accurately indicative that something is wrong. For 
> example, a target sentence may be deemed to have poor conformance when 
> measured against a corpus of domain relevant reference translations. A 
> score would reflect this poor conformance but the underlying errors 
> within the sentence could be a mixture of grammar, spelling, style 
> and/or terminology. In such instances you may not need to explicitly 
> enumerate all of the combining errors and the extent of their contribution to the score, but just classify it under and umbrella term of "conformance".
>
> The proposed information for the "conformance" value would be as follows:
>
> Value
>
> conformance
>
> Description
>
> The content is deemed to have a level of conformance to a reference corpus.
> Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus 
> given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to 
> produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
>
> Example
>
> "The harbour connected which to printer is busy or configared not properly."
> In a system which uses classification techniques this would be deemed 
> to have poor conformance. The poor conformance is a function of the 
> combined incorrect terminology, wrong spelling and bad grammar.
>
> Scope
>
> S or T
>
> Notes
>
> Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus 
> given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to 
> produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
>
> Phil Ritchie
>
>
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