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Re: Pubs data

From: Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:08:16 +0000
Message-ID: <89f622f10903060708o22c714faycc301ceccd71943d@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Cc: John Goodwin <John.Goodwin@ordnancesurvey.co.uk>, public-lod@w3.org
Hi Kingsley,

2009/3/6 Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>:
> Tom Heath wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kingsley, Hi John,
>>
>> First off, sympathies John for the roasting on Facebook - not a nice
>> experience I'm sure.
>>
>> Re your question Kingsley... I should be careful what I say, don't
>> wanna give anyone any ideas ;)
>>
>> Seriously though, regarding Revyu, while I developed the site, the IP
>> currently rests with the OU (part of the terms of my PhD), so the
>> picture gets even more complicated than it is already. There have been
>> some varied outcomes AFAIR in UK courts regarding the relative
>> culpability of messengers (i.e. sites) vs reviewers in reviewing
>> scenarios. Naturally IANAL, but apparently the defamation laws in the
>> UK are some of the most draconian around, so you're right to be
>> cautious John (sad though it is).
>>
>> The most comparable experience from Revyu involved a review of a
>> garage; it's documented here in a way that prevents this blogger being
>> sued but retains the text online (and tells the account of the threats
>> received); note how the text is constructed:
>>
>> http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/mot-mechanic-in-milton-keynes-chilling-free-speech/
>>
>> So as that post says, I took the review down when an email was sent
>> threatening to get the lawyers involved, but I also logged the
>> takedown notice in the Chilling Effects database
>> <http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi> (now this would be AWESOME
>> as linked data) so that it didn't go unrecorded. I'm also very
>> grateful to Martin Poulter for blogging about it at the address above.
>>
>> Since then I have moderated a few reviews voluntarily (I don't like
>> doing this, but it seems to be a sensible precaution for all parties)
>> but no more threats have been received. In my experience most people
>> are less reactionary than the garage and the people you and I
>> encountered. Some places have had bad reviews followed by a number of
>> highly positive reviews (perhaps even by friends of the owner, who
>> knows). In fact, this would be my first response to angry reviewees -
>> if you disagree then write your own review, or ask your satisfied
>> customers to do the same. This is much more powerful from a business
>> point of view than legal threa
>>
>> No idea if this helps; it may at least round out the picture.
>>
>
> Tom,
>
> Certainly clarifies a lot.
>
> Naturally, I do expect other Review services that are Linked Data based to
> emerge soon.

Yes, this is inevitable IMHO.

> I am certainly trying to encourage all "Review" services I
> encounter to make this shift --- as you may have noticed via some of my
> Tweets [1] :-)

Thanks for all the publicity along the way ;)

Tom.


>> 2009/3/5 Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> John Goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've decided to (for the time being at least) remove the pubs linked
>>>> data.
>>>> Someone seemed to object to a review of their local (see here
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d36s4c) and having looked at some of the other (more
>>>> negative reviews) I decided I didn't want this happening again.
>>>>
>>>> While I didn't do the data capture or reviews the pubs were hosted on my
>>>> website - and someone did find contact details and get in touch :( The
>>>> reviews were all meant in fun, but some could be (and have been) taken
>>>> the
>>>> wrong way. So I'd sooner not risk getting sued or having my knee caps
>>>> removed by angry locals!
>>>> On the plus side it was a useful exercise for me...setting up some
>>>> linked
>>>> data. Maybe I'll put it back at some stage without the reviews. Remember
>>>> in
>>>> the words of the mighty Joe Strummer "You have the right to free speech
>>>> as
>>>> long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it" :)
>>>> John
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>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> So does Tom get into trouble if I give a Pub a bad review using
>>> <http://revyu.com> ?
>>> I still think you inadvertently stumbled on a business model here  :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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