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Re: Pubs data

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:53:10 -0500
Message-ID: <49B138D6.9020002@openlinksw.com>
To: Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
CC: John Goodwin <John.Goodwin@ordnancesurvey.co.uk>, public-lod@w3.org
Tom Heath wrote:
> Hi Kingsley, Hi John,
> First off, sympathies John for the roasting on Facebook - not a nice
> experience I'm sure.
> Re your question Kingsley... I should be careful what I say, don't
> wanna give anyone any ideas ;)
> Seriously though, regarding Revyu, while I developed the site, the IP
> currently rests with the OU (part of the terms of my PhD), so the
> picture gets even more complicated than it is already. There have been
> some varied outcomes AFAIR in UK courts regarding the relative
> culpability of messengers (i.e. sites) vs reviewers in reviewing
> scenarios. Naturally IANAL, but apparently the defamation laws in the
> UK are some of the most draconian around, so you're right to be
> cautious John (sad though it is).
> The most comparable experience from Revyu involved a review of a
> garage; it's documented here in a way that prevents this blogger being
> sued but retains the text online (and tells the account of the threats
> received); note how the text is constructed:
> http://doodznchyx.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/mot-mechanic-in-milton-keynes-chilling-free-speech/
> So as that post says, I took the review down when an email was sent
> threatening to get the lawyers involved, but I also logged the
> takedown notice in the Chilling Effects database
> <http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi> (now this would be AWESOME
> as linked data) so that it didn't go unrecorded. I'm also very
> grateful to Martin Poulter for blogging about it at the address above.
> Since then I have moderated a few reviews voluntarily (I don't like
> doing this, but it seems to be a sensible precaution for all parties)
> but no more threats have been received. In my experience most people
> are less reactionary than the garage and the people you and I
> encountered. Some places have had bad reviews followed by a number of
> highly positive reviews (perhaps even by friends of the owner, who
> knows). In fact, this would be my first response to angry reviewees -
> if you disagree then write your own review, or ask your satisfied
> customers to do the same. This is much more powerful from a business
> point of view than legal threa
> No idea if this helps; it may at least round out the picture.

Certainly clarifies a lot.

Naturally, I do expect other Review services that are Linked Data based 
to emerge soon. I am certainly trying to encourage all "Review" services 
I encounter to make this shift --- as you may have noticed via some of 
my Tweets [1] :-)


1. http://search.twitter.com/search?q=revyu.com

> Cheers,
> Tom.
> 2009/3/5 Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>:
>> John Goodwin wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I've decided to (for the time being at least) remove the pubs linked data.
>>> Someone seemed to object to a review of their local (see here
>>> http://tinyurl.com/d36s4c) and having looked at some of the other (more
>>> negative reviews) I decided I didn't want this happening again.
>>> While I didn't do the data capture or reviews the pubs were hosted on my
>>> website - and someone did find contact details and get in touch :( The
>>> reviews were all meant in fun, but some could be (and have been) taken the
>>> wrong way. So I'd sooner not risk getting sued or having my knee caps
>>> removed by angry locals!
>>> On the plus side it was a useful exercise for me...setting up some linked
>>> data. Maybe I'll put it back at some stage without the reviews. Remember in
>>> the words of the mighty Joe Strummer "You have the right to free speech as
>>> long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it" :)
>>> John
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>> John,
>> So does Tom get into trouble if I give a Pub a bad review using
>> <http://revyu.com> ?
>> I still think you inadvertently stumbled on a business model here  :-)
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Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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