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Re: sameas.org

From: <richard.hancock@3kbo.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:46:28 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <42305.>
To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, public-lod@w3.org, "Chris Wallace" <chris.wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
Hi Azamat,

one thing I would like to be able to do is enter a search query similar to
the following:

"Kiwi a bird"

using the "a" to indicate "rdf:type" and to substitute for "bird" the
classes known to represent that concept. The search would then be made
with the substituted list of classes specifying the entity type.

e.g. umbel-sc:Bird, yago:BirdsOfNewZealand as shown by

Would http://www.semanticWWW.com be able to provide the list of classes
for the nominated concept.

P.S. Great service Hugh



> Chris Wallace wrote:
> "I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might
> be
> expected to order results semantically rather than in random order, or in
> order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines."
> Yes, this is our high expectations.
> But there are good things also. The search for  "entity" indicates that
> "Entity Search, Find, and Explore" might look more meaningful than Google
> Squared, www.google.com/squared, although, less meaningful than Microsoft
> "bing", www.bing.com, http://www.bing.com/search?q=entity&go=&form=QBLH
> The text search in need of defining the fundamental classes and types of
> things, like entity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity, as "bing" is
> doing.
> To build in this critical element of any effective semantic search engine,
> i
> recommend linking up to the upcoming all-the-meanings service,
> http://www.semanticWWW.com.
> CW: "...the primary meaning of the word is quite lost.""
> That's right, all the primary meanings should be underlined and marked up,
> otherwise, the search could result in confusion, "a disorderly combination
> of elements where identities lost and distinctions blended".
> Azamat Abdoullaev
> http://www.standardontology.org
> PS: it also would be good to clear up this: "e1 has any property whose
> value
> contains "entity".
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
> To: "Hugh Glaser" <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>; <giovanni.tummarello@deri.org>
> Cc: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Linked Data community"
> <public-lod@w3.org>; "Ian Millard" <icm@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:36 PM
> Subject: RE: sameas.org
>> >Hugh Glaser wrote
>>>>On 05/06/2009 04:09, "Giovanni Tummarello" <g.tummarello@gmail.com>
>>>>>> a New Zealander and a Kiwifruit)
>>>>>> throws up a radio station, an animated cartoon and lots of wordnet
>>>>>> links to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> juggle of plumbing but no juice.  No sign of
>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Kiwi however
>>>>> Ah.
>>>>> We only look at the first n results from Sindice, and clearly kiwi is
>>>>> a
>>>>> popular name.
>>>>> Clicking on the sindice link will show you what we got.
>>>>> However, I see that using "kiwi bird" gives a decent return, so all
>>>>> is
>>>>> not
>>>>> lost.
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Hugh
>>>> we definitely have to improve here, luckly we know what's wrong and
>>>> what's next and its coming. the ranking works decently for some
>>>> entities but less for others.
>>>> a major fix of this hopefully before summer break
>>>> Giovanni
>>>Not sure it needs much "fixing", but I guess things can always be
>>>I can immediately think of 3 or 4 non-bird Kiwi meanings that I would
>>>to come above the bird.
>>>It's a great example of why SW/LD helps us, and we can do things like
>>>Kingsley's post.
>> I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might
>> be expected to order results semantically rather than in random order,
>> or
>> in order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines. I
>> expect
>> the bird to come first without the need for user intervention to refine
>> the search with additional words or type filters because this is the
>> initial meaning of the word in Maori, and all other usages are derived
>> from it, some later than others.
>> Clearly as the size of the LOD cloud increases, the problem of ordering
>> results becomes more important, especially as services place limits on
>> the
>> number of results returned.  I realize that deriving a measure of
>> semantic
>> distance is a really hard problem but in a way, isnt it rather central
>> to
>> the semantic web?
>> Kingsley, I tried http://lod.openlinksw.com, but here too, when
>> searching
>> for, say Bristol, I get pages of people who mention Bristol in their
>> foaf
>> profile, and things which are parts of Bristol (Bristol Airport) and
>> hundreds of other mentions whilst the primary meaning of the word is
>> quite
>> lost. That just doesn’t seem like the expected behaviour of a
>> 'semantic
>> search engine'.   I wonder for example if something could be done with
>> dates to get the results into a more semantic order?
>> Chris Wallace
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