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Re: sameas.org

From: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:04:05 +0300
Message-ID: <002301c9e5de$1b3a0f20$a104810a@homepc>
To: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, <public-lod@w3.org>
Cc: "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
Chris Wallace wrote:
"I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might be 
expected to order results semantically rather than in random order, or in 
order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines."
Yes, this is our high expectations.
But there are good things also. The search for  "entity" indicates that 
"Entity Search, Find, and Explore" might look more meaningful than Google 
Squared, www.google.com/squared, although, less meaningful than Microsoft 
"bing", www.bing.com, http://www.bing.com/search?q=entity&go=&form=QBLH
The text search in need of defining the fundamental classes and types of 
things, like entity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity, as "bing" is 
doing.
To build in this critical element of any effective semantic search engine, i 
recommend linking up to the upcoming all-the-meanings service, 
http://www.semanticWWW.com.

CW: "...the primary meaning of the word is quite lost.""
That's right, all the primary meanings should be underlined and marked up, 
otherwise, the search could result in confusion, "a disorderly combination 
of elements where identities lost and distinctions blended".
Azamat Abdoullaev
http://www.standardontology.org

PS: it also would be good to clear up this: "e1 has any property whose value 
contains "entity".

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
To: "Hugh Glaser" <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>; <giovanni.tummarello@deri.org>
Cc: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Linked Data community" 
<public-lod@w3.org>; "Ian Millard" <icm@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: sameas.org


> >Hugh Glaser wrote
>>>On 05/06/2009 04:09, "Giovanni Tummarello" <g.tummarello@gmail.com> 
>>>wrote:
>
>>>>> a New Zealander and a Kiwifruit)
>>>>>
>>>>> throws up a radio station, an animated cartoon and lots of wordnet 
>>>>> links to
>>>>> a
>>>>> juggle of plumbing but no juice.  No sign of
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Kiwi however
>>>> Ah.
>>>> We only look at the first n results from Sindice, and clearly kiwi is a
>>>> popular name.
>>>> Clicking on the sindice link will show you what we got.
>>>> However, I see that using "kiwi bird" gives a decent return, so all is 
>>>> not
>>>> lost.
>>>> Best
>>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> we definitely have to improve here, luckly we know what's wrong and
>>> what's next and its coming. the ranking works decently for some
>>> entities but less for others.
>>>
>>> a major fix of this hopefully before summer break
>>> Giovanni
>>>
>>Not sure it needs much "fixing", but I guess things can always be 
>>improved.
>>I can immediately think of 3 or 4 non-bird Kiwi meanings that I would 
>>expect
>>to come above the bird.
>>It's a great example of why SW/LD helps us, and we can do things like
>>Kingsley's post.
>
> I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might 
> be expected to order results semantically rather than in random order, or 
> in order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines. I expect 
> the bird to come first without the need for user intervention to refine 
> the search with additional words or type filters because this is the 
> initial meaning of the word in Maori, and all other usages are derived 
> from it, some later than others.
>
> Clearly as the size of the LOD cloud increases, the problem of ordering 
> results becomes more important, especially as services place limits on the 
> number of results returned.  I realize that deriving a measure of semantic 
> distance is a really hard problem but in a way, isnt it rather central to 
> the semantic web?
>
> Kingsley, I tried http://lod.openlinksw.com, but here too, when searching 
> for, say Bristol, I get pages of people who mention Bristol in their foaf 
> profile, and things which are parts of Bristol (Bristol Airport) and 
> hundreds of other mentions whilst the primary meaning of the word is quite 
> lost. That just doesn’t seem like the expected behaviour of a 'semantic 
> search engine'.   I wonder for example if something could be done with 
> dates to get the results into a more semantic order?
>
> Chris Wallace
>
>
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