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Re: sameas.org

From: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:26:53 +0300
Message-ID: <007001c9e680$8c640fa0$a104810a@homepc>
To: <richard.hancock@3kbo.com>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, <public-lod@w3.org>, "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
RH: Would http://www.semanticWWW.com be able to provide the list of classes 
for the nominated concept.

Certainly. It's kind of must for the "all-the-meanings service". The 
http://www.semanticWWW.com will supply ONTOLOGICAL URIs, powerful and 
effective,  like the one to be used for the "sameness" (full version):
http://www.standardontology.org/World/Reality/Thing=Being 
=Entity=Resource/Relation/Comparison/Sameness/individual|specicifc|generic/
 Having such an URI one can distinguish at least three key senses of 
"sameness" :
individual sameness (individual identity or numerical unity; there is one 
thing but more than one names);
specific sameness (there are many things but one common kind, the unity of 
species or kind);
generic sameness (there are many kinds but one common genus, the unity of 
genus or class, and type).
Then the sameness URIs, http://sameas, are to be http://sameindividualas; 
http://samekindas, http://sameclassas,....
The full meanings of sameness is much richer, this sample is only to have an 
idea how our everchanging world is complicated in its composition and 
structure, and that we need powerful constructs to effectively represent and 
reason on it.
Azamat Abdoullaev
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <richard.hancock@3kbo.com>
To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>; <public-lod@w3.org>; "Chris Wallace" 
<chris.wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: sameas.org


> Hi Azamat,
>
> one thing I would like to be able to do is enter a search query similar to
> the following:
>
> "Kiwi a bird"
>
> using the "a" to indicate "rdf:type" and to substitute for "bird" the
> classes known to represent that concept. The search would then be made
> with the substituted list of classes specifying the entity type.
>
> e.g. umbel-sc:Bird, yago:BirdsOfNewZealand as shown by
> http://lod.openlinksw.com/
>
> Would http://www.semanticWWW.com be able to provide the list of classes
> for the nominated concept.
>
> P.S. Great service Hugh
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>> Chris Wallace wrote:
>> "I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might
>> be
>> expected to order results semantically rather than in random order, or in
>> order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines."
>> Yes, this is our high expectations.
>> But there are good things also. The search for  "entity" indicates that
>> "Entity Search, Find, and Explore" might look more meaningful than Google
>> Squared, www.google.com/squared, although, less meaningful than Microsoft
>> "bing", www.bing.com, http://www.bing.com/search?q=entity&go=&form=QBLH
>> The text search in need of defining the fundamental classes and types of
>> things, like entity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity, as "bing" is
>> doing.
>> To build in this critical element of any effective semantic search 
>> engine,
>> i
>> recommend linking up to the upcoming all-the-meanings service,
>> http://www.semanticWWW.com.
>>
>> CW: "...the primary meaning of the word is quite lost.""
>> That's right, all the primary meanings should be underlined and marked 
>> up,
>> otherwise, the search could result in confusion, "a disorderly 
>> combination
>> of elements where identities lost and distinctions blended".
>> Azamat Abdoullaev
>> http://www.standardontology.org
>>
>> PS: it also would be good to clear up this: "e1 has any property whose
>> value
>> contains "entity".
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
>> To: "Hugh Glaser" <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>; <giovanni.tummarello@deri.org>
>> Cc: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Linked Data community"
>> <public-lod@w3.org>; "Ian Millard" <icm@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:36 PM
>> Subject: RE: sameas.org
>>
>>
>>> >Hugh Glaser wrote
>>>>>On 05/06/2009 04:09, "Giovanni Tummarello" <g.tummarello@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> a New Zealander and a Kiwifruit)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> throws up a radio station, an animated cartoon and lots of wordnet
>>>>>>> links to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> juggle of plumbing but no juice.  No sign of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Kiwi however
>>>>>> Ah.
>>>>>> We only look at the first n results from Sindice, and clearly kiwi is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> popular name.
>>>>>> Clicking on the sindice link will show you what we got.
>>>>>> However, I see that using "kiwi bird" gives a decent return, so all
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> lost.
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Hugh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> we definitely have to improve here, luckly we know what's wrong and
>>>>> what's next and its coming. the ranking works decently for some
>>>>> entities but less for others.
>>>>>
>>>>> a major fix of this hopefully before summer break
>>>>> Giovanni
>>>>>
>>>>Not sure it needs much "fixing", but I guess things can always be
>>>>improved.
>>>>I can immediately think of 3 or 4 non-bird Kiwi meanings that I would
>>>>expect
>>>>to come above the bird.
>>>>It's a great example of why SW/LD helps us, and we can do things like
>>>>Kingsley's post.
>>>
>>> I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might
>>> be expected to order results semantically rather than in random order,
>>> or
>>> in order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines. I
>>> expect
>>> the bird to come first without the need for user intervention to refine
>>> the search with additional words or type filters because this is the
>>> initial meaning of the word in Maori, and all other usages are derived
>>> from it, some later than others.
>>>
>>> Clearly as the size of the LOD cloud increases, the problem of ordering
>>> results becomes more important, especially as services place limits on
>>> the
>>> number of results returned.  I realize that deriving a measure of
>>> semantic
>>> distance is a really hard problem but in a way, isnt it rather central
>>> to
>>> the semantic web?
>>>
>>> Kingsley, I tried http://lod.openlinksw.com, but here too, when
>>> searching
>>> for, say Bristol, I get pages of people who mention Bristol in their
>>> foaf
>>> profile, and things which are parts of Bristol (Bristol Airport) and
>>> hundreds of other mentions whilst the primary meaning of the word is
>>> quite
>>> lost. That just doesnâ?Tt seem like the expected behaviour of a
>>> 'semantic
>>> search engine'.   I wonder for example if something could be done with
>>> dates to get the results into a more semantic order?
>>>
>>> Chris Wallace
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
> 
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