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Re: More ESWC 2008 Linked Data Playground

From: Chris Bizer <chris@bizer.de>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:55:20 +0200
Message-ID: <004901c8cac6$f322f930$c4e84d57@named4gc1asnuj>
To: "David Huynh" <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu>, "Aldo Bucchi" <aldo.bucchi@gmail.com>, "Daniel Schwabe" <dschwabe@inf.puc-rio.br>, "Sean Bechhofer" <sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk>, <knud.moeller@deri.org>, "Paul Kreis" <Paul.Kreis@gmx.de>
Cc: <public-lod@w3.org>

Hi all,

some quick comments on this thread:

1. I'm currently swamped with work. Therefore getting the final version of 
the ESWC dataset (including some bug fixes, updated ESWC conf data website, 
...) out won't happen before the end of the week. The same is true for the 
WWW2008 dataset.

2. We developed a EasyChair XML dump to RDF conversion script which can be 
used by the dogfood project for further conferences and will reduce the 
effort to generate the RDF data.

3. It is very easy to point at other people telling them that they should 
publish more Linked Data, support RDFa and support any other standard that 
comes to mind. Could the people pointing please check first how much data 
they have published on the Semantic Web so far.

4. Concerning attacking the problem from both sides. Yes, sure. But this is 
exactly what the LOD project is about. The LOD community is getting more 
data out onto the Semantic Web (see http://richard.cyganiak.de/2007/10/lod/) 
and is working on browsers, search engines and Linked Data mashups which 
will produce the required application pull to make it beneficial for data 
providers to publish data on the Web (see 

So the community is in the process of solving the problem and I don't see 
any reason to repeat the old chicken-egg discussions over and over.



Chris Bizer
Freie Universitšt Berlin
+49 30 838 54057
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aldo Bucchi" <aldo.bucchi@gmail.com>
To: "David Huynh" <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: <public-lod@w3.org>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: More ESWC 2008 Linked Data Playground

> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 4:33 PM, David Huynh <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> Daniel,
>> Thank you for your detailed reply! I'm glad there is tremendous progress
>> toward a platform for conference metadata. And I applaud such an effort 
>> and
>> everyone involved.
>> You said, "a task which requires additional resources is less likely to 
>> be
>> pursued." May I suggest a different observation: "a task that has no
>> immediate, personal benefit, or instant gratification, is less likely to 
>> be
>> pursued." Whether you add that <link rel="alternate"> makes no observable
>> difference to anyone, including yourself, who has just a standard web
>> browser. Humans are known to generally optimize for short-term, personal
>> gains over long-term prospects for humanity. So, why expend the effort to
>> add that line of HTML code? Am I making sense to you?
>> If we look at this problem from a "return on investment" point of view, 
>> then
>> your suggestion for "remove as many barriers as possible" is about 
>> lowering
>> the investment--which I totally agree. My suggestion is about increasing 
>> the
>> return from "no observable difference" to "some observable difference". I
>> was simply wondering what people on this mailing list have done to 
>> achieve
>> "some observable difference," that's all.
> Yes, there is a definite lack of incentive to publish structured data.
> It all comes down to the fact that generation and consumption are now
> totally dissociated.
> In the HTML world, the publisher provides the UI, and therefore the
> context in which data is consumed. This allows for a straighforward
> way to exploit the generated attention upon consumption time: Ads,
> self-promotion, socialization ( comments ), etc.
> This is, from my POV, the most underlooked aspect of the Semweb (
> please correct me if I am wrong ). Alas, it is not one that we can
> design upfront. Social dynamics and economics will define, in the long
> term, the semantic data value chains.
> Any pointers on this topic?
>> I think attacking the problem from both ends will help us make progress
>> faster.
>> Best regards,
>> David
>> P.S. I believe I already got all the answers to my questions here, so for 
>> me
>> there's no need to continue this thread, unless you want to.
> -- 
> :::: Aldo Bucchi ::::
> +56 9 7623 8653
> skype:aldo.bucchi
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