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RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88

From: Phillips, Addison <addison@lab126.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:37:45 -0500
To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
CC: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>, "Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com)" <mjs@apple.com>, "Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)" <mike@w3.org>
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Hi Sam,

Thanks for the note. Paul and I just got off the phone. I don't believe we have any issues that cannot be resolved with the editor at this time, although I will double-check with the WG during our next teleconference tomorrow.

Regards,

Addison

Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect (Lab126)
Chair (W3C I18N, IETF IRI WGs)

Internationalization is not a feature.
It is an architecture.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ruby [mailto:rubys@intertwingly.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> To: Phillips, Addison
> Cc: Paul Cotton; Richard Ishida; public-i18n-core@w3.org; Maciej
> Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> Subject: Re: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> 
> On 02/15/2011 11:12 AM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> > I'm happy to have a phone call: we really need to understand this
> so
> > we can work effectively with you. We're generally pleased with
> the
> > process so far, but, although you sentences are simple and
> > declarative, I don't feel I know if we should be escalating
> issues
> > into Issues or not.
> >
> > Is there a convenient time for us to chat?
> 
> If you think a phone call would help, I'm probably the most
> available
> co-chair for this purpose this week.  I'll send you my phone number
> off
> list.
> 
> The short version is that if all of the following are true:
> 
>   (1) you have entered a bug,
>   (2) got a response that you disagree with,
>   (3) don't see a path to amicable resolution with the editor
>   (4) are prepared to produce a full concrete proposal with
> rationale
> 
> ... then don't be shy and by all means create issues.  Be aware
> that at
> this point we will treat such issues as Last Call issues.  This
> does not
> mean that we won't work diligently to resolve them, it just means
> that
> we won't hold up proceeding to Last Call until they are resolved.
> 
> > Addison
> >
> > Addison Phillips Globalization Architect (Lab126) Chair (W3C I18N,
> > IETF IRI WGs)
> >
> > Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture.
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cotton
> >> [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15,
> 2011
> >> 8:05 AM To: Richard Ishida; Phillips, Addison Cc:
> >> public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> Maciej
> >> Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> >> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> >>
> >> One further thought, if you think a phone call would help to
> >> explain the HTML WG processes please just let me know.
> >>
> >> /paulc
> >>
> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario
> K2E
> >> 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cotton Sent: Tuesday,
> >> February 15, 2011 9:33 AM To: 'Richard Ishida'; Phillips,
> Addison
> >> Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> >> Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith
> (mike@w3.org)
> >> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> >>
> >>> Aharon didn't really understood what he had to do here, and
> >> Addison and I weren't able to understand it either.
> >>
> >> The HTML WG Chairs sent the following email on Sep 7, 2010 that
> >> outlined a plan for how the WG was going to get to Last Call:
> >>
> >> Timeline to Last Call
> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-

> html/2010Sep/0074.html
> >>
> >>> Reminder: - Jan 22, 2010 is the cutoff for escalating bugs for
> >> pre-LC consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal
> >> issued by this date.
> >>> Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations will
> >>> be
> >> treated as a Last Call comment.
> >>
> >> If you review the message above it explains in detail what Sam
> was
> >> trying to explain.  Basically in your case if you disagreed with
> >> the disposition of any of your bugs that were filed before Oct 1,
> >> you had until Jan 22 to request that they be escalated into WG
> >> Tracker issues.
> >>
> >> Please let me know if you understand the situations after
> >> reviewing the above message and this email.
> >>
> >> /paulc
> >>
> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario
> K2E
> >> 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ishida
> >> [mailto:ishida@w3.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:36 AM
> To:
> >> Phillips, Addison Cc: Paul Cotton; public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam
> >> Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net); Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com);
> >> Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org) Subject: Re: process question
> and
> >> query about ISSUE-88
> >>
> >> I think one specific question was, what does this mean:
> >>
> >> "--- Comment #57 from Sam Ruby<rubys@intertwingly.net>  2011-01-
> 17
> >> 21:54:41 UTC --- Reminder: - Jan 22, 2010 is the cutoff for
> >> escalating bugs for pre- LC consideration - all issues in
> tracker,
> >> calls for proposal issued by this date. Consequences of missing
> >> this date: any further escalations will be treated as a Last
> Call
> >> comment. "
> >>
> >> Aharon didn't really understood what he had to do here, and
> >> Addison and I weren't able to understand it either.
> >>
> >> RI
> >>
> >> Richard Ishida Internationalization Activity Lead W3C (World
> Wide
> >> Web Consortium)
> >>
> >> http://www.w3.org/International/ http://rishida.net/

> >>
> >> On 10/02/2011 06:11, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> >>> Hello Paul,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the response. Our list of re-opened bugs is
> scattered
> >> across a couple of teleconferences. We'll pull the list together
> >> for you. It isn't a long list.
> >>>
> >>> I am not sure that our intention was to escalate them to WG
> >> issues, at least, not in all cases. Our goal was to decide
> whether
> >> your WG's or editor's proposed resolution satisfied us. I'm not
> >> sure that any issues require resolution before LC, assuming that
> >> LC issues will be dealt with on an equal footing. Nonetheless, I
> >> will check with the WG membership before committing to any
> >> particular resolution.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Addison
> >>>
> >>> Addison Phillips Globalization Architect (Lab126) Chair (W3C
> >>> I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
> >>>
> >>> Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture.
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cotton
> >>>> [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, February
> >>>> 09, 2011 8:53 PM To: Phillips, Addison Cc:
> >>>> public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> >>>> Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith
> >> (mike@w3.org)
> >>>> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> >>>>
> >>>>> Recently (a few weeks ago, actually), our WG reopened a few
> >> bugs
> >>>> filed before your cutoff date. We would like to know how these
> >> will
> >>>> be handled, etc. That is: what is your process for clearing
> >>>> our
> >> open
> >>>> bugs?
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you help us here by explicitly listing the bugs you re-
> >> opened?
> >>>>
> >>>> Please note that the Jan 22 deadline was for the escalation of
> >> bugs
> >>>> into WG issues.  See:
> >>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-

> >> html/2010Sep/0074.html
> >>>>
> >>>>> - Jan 22, 2010 - cutoff for escalating bugs for pre-LC
> >>>> consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal
> >>>> issued
> >> by
> >>>> this date
> >>>>> Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations
> >>>>> will
> >>>> be treated as a Last Call comment.
> >>>>
> >>>> Was your intent to convert the re-opened bugs in WG Issues to
> >> ensure
> >>>> they were handled before Last Call?
> >>>>
> >>>> /paulc
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa,
> Ontario
> >>>> K2E 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Phillips, Addison
> >>>> [mailto:addison@lab126.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011
> >>>> 11:48 AM To: Paul Cotton; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> >>>> Maciej
> >> Stachowiak
> >>>> (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org) Cc:
> >>>> public-i18n-core@w3.org Subject: process question and query
> >>>> about ISSUE-88
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear HTML5 WG chairs,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been tasked [1][2] by the Internationalization WG with
> >>>> touching base with you about two topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Recently (a few weeks ago, actually), our WG reopened a few
> >> bugs
> >>>> filed before your cutoff date. We would like to know how these
> >> will
> >>>> be handled, etc. That is: what is your process for clearing
> >>>> our
> >> open
> >>>> bugs?
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. We noticed also that ISSUE-88 seems to have gone dormant
> >>>> and
> >> are
> >>>> wondering about the status of this issue. There is no recent
> >> update
> >>>> on http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html. Is any
> >> progress
> >>>> being made there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Addison
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/16 ACTION-16
> >> [2]
> >>>> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/19 ACTION-19
> >>>>
> >>>> Addison Phillips Globalization Architect (Lab126) Chair (W3C
> >>>> I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
> >>>>
> >>>> Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >

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