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Re: process question and query about ISSUE-88

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:34:03 -0500
Message-ID: <4D5AAAFB.7090609@intertwingly.net>
To: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@lab126.com>
CC: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>, "Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com)" <mjs@apple.com>, "Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)" <mike@w3.org>
On 02/15/2011 11:12 AM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> I'm happy to have a phone call: we really need to understand this so
> we can work effectively with you. We're generally pleased with the
> process so far, but, although you sentences are simple and
> declarative, I don't feel I know if we should be escalating issues
> into Issues or not.
>
> Is there a convenient time for us to chat?

If you think a phone call would help, I'm probably the most available 
co-chair for this purpose this week.  I'll send you my phone number off 
list.

The short version is that if all of the following are true:

  (1) you have entered a bug,
  (2) got a response that you disagree with,
  (3) don't see a path to amicable resolution with the editor
  (4) are prepared to produce a full concrete proposal with rationale

... then don't be shy and by all means create issues.  Be aware that at 
this point we will treat such issues as Last Call issues.  This does not 
mean that we won't work diligently to resolve them, it just means that 
we won't hold up proceeding to Last Call until they are resolved.

> Addison
>
> Addison Phillips Globalization Architect (Lab126) Chair (W3C I18N,
> IETF IRI WGs)
>
> Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture.

- Sam Ruby

>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cotton
>> [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011
>> 8:05 AM To: Richard Ishida; Phillips, Addison Cc:
>> public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net); Maciej
>> Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
>> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
>>
>> One further thought, if you think a phone call would help to
>> explain the HTML WG processes please just let me know.
>>
>> /paulc
>>
>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E
>> 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cotton Sent: Tuesday,
>> February 15, 2011 9:33 AM To: 'Richard Ishida'; Phillips, Addison
>> Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
>> Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
>> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
>>
>>> Aharon didn't really understood what he had to do here, and
>> Addison and I weren't able to understand it either.
>>
>> The HTML WG Chairs sent the following email on Sep 7, 2010 that
>> outlined a plan for how the WG was going to get to Last Call:
>>
>> Timeline to Last Call
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
>>
>>> Reminder: - Jan 22, 2010 is the cutoff for escalating bugs for
>> pre-LC consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal
>> issued by this date.
>>> Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations will
>>> be
>> treated as a Last Call comment.
>>
>> If you review the message above it explains in detail what Sam was
>> trying to explain.  Basically in your case if you disagreed with
>> the disposition of any of your bugs that were filed before Oct 1,
>> you had until Jan 22 to request that they be escalated into WG
>> Tracker issues.
>>
>> Please let me know if you understand the situations after
>> reviewing the above message and this email.
>>
>> /paulc
>>
>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E
>> 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ishida
>> [mailto:ishida@w3.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:36 AM To:
>> Phillips, Addison Cc: Paul Cotton; public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam
>> Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net); Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com);
>> Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org) Subject: Re: process question and
>> query about ISSUE-88
>>
>> I think one specific question was, what does this mean:
>>
>> "--- Comment #57 from Sam Ruby<rubys@intertwingly.net>  2011-01-17
>> 21:54:41 UTC --- Reminder: - Jan 22, 2010 is the cutoff for
>> escalating bugs for pre- LC consideration - all issues in tracker,
>> calls for proposal issued by this date. Consequences of missing
>> this date: any further escalations will be treated as a Last Call
>> comment. "
>>
>> Aharon didn't really understood what he had to do here, and
>> Addison and I weren't able to understand it either.
>>
>> RI
>>
>> Richard Ishida Internationalization Activity Lead W3C (World Wide
>> Web Consortium)
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/ http://rishida.net/
>>
>> On 10/02/2011 06:11, Phillips, Addison wrote:
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response. Our list of re-opened bugs is scattered
>> across a couple of teleconferences. We'll pull the list together
>> for you. It isn't a long list.
>>>
>>> I am not sure that our intention was to escalate them to WG
>> issues, at least, not in all cases. Our goal was to decide whether
>> your WG's or editor's proposed resolution satisfied us. I'm not
>> sure that any issues require resolution before LC, assuming that
>> LC issues will be dealt with on an equal footing. Nonetheless, I
>> will check with the WG membership before committing to any
>> particular resolution.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Addison
>>>
>>> Addison Phillips Globalization Architect (Lab126) Chair (W3C
>>> I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
>>>
>>> Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cotton
>>>> [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, February
>>>> 09, 2011 8:53 PM To: Phillips, Addison Cc:
>>>> public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
>>>> Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith
>> (mike@w3.org)
>>>> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
>>>>
>>>>> Recently (a few weeks ago, actually), our WG reopened a few
>> bugs
>>>> filed before your cutoff date. We would like to know how these
>> will
>>>> be handled, etc. That is: what is your process for clearing
>>>> our
>> open
>>>> bugs?
>>>>
>>>> Can you help us here by explicitly listing the bugs you re-
>> opened?
>>>>
>>>> Please note that the Jan 22 deadline was for the escalation of
>> bugs
>>>> into WG issues.  See:
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
>> html/2010Sep/0074.html
>>>>
>>>>> - Jan 22, 2010 - cutoff for escalating bugs for pre-LC
>>>> consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal
>>>> issued
>> by
>>>> this date
>>>>> Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations
>>>>> will
>>>> be treated as a Last Call comment.
>>>>
>>>> Was your intent to convert the re-opened bugs in WG Issues to
>> ensure
>>>> they were handled before Last Call?
>>>>
>>>> /paulc
>>>>
>>>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario
>>>> K2E 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Phillips, Addison
>>>> [mailto:addison@lab126.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011
>>>> 11:48 AM To: Paul Cotton; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
>>>> Maciej
>> Stachowiak
>>>> (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org) Cc:
>>>> public-i18n-core@w3.org Subject: process question and query
>>>> about ISSUE-88
>>>>
>>>> Dear HTML5 WG chairs,
>>>>
>>>> I have been tasked [1][2] by the Internationalization WG with
>>>> touching base with you about two topics.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Recently (a few weeks ago, actually), our WG reopened a few
>> bugs
>>>> filed before your cutoff date. We would like to know how these
>> will
>>>> be handled, etc. That is: what is your process for clearing
>>>> our
>> open
>>>> bugs?
>>>>
>>>> 2. We noticed also that ISSUE-88 seems to have gone dormant
>>>> and
>> are
>>>> wondering about the status of this issue. There is no recent
>> update
>>>> on http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html. Is any
>> progress
>>>> being made there.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Addison
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/16 ACTION-16
>> [2]
>>>> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/19 ACTION-19
>>>>
>>>> Addison Phillips Globalization Architect (Lab126) Chair (W3C
>>>> I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
>>>>
>>>> Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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