Re: process question and query about ISSUE-88

FYI, over the last couple of days, Ian has made progress on 3 (10823,
10828, 11734) out of the 5 bugs that still require action. (It's no my turn
on them, but I am having trouble seeing the change he made in the HTML5
spec.) So, I am relieved to say that the door does not seem to be closed
yet, and I do think that we should be able to come to an amicable resolution
with the editor. Of course, I am still hoping to hear from him re the other
two issues (10808 and 11829).

Thanks,
Aharon

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Phillips, Addison <addison@lab126.com>wrote:

> I'm happy to have a phone call: we really need to understand this so we can
> work effectively with you. We're generally pleased with the process so far,
> but, although you sentences are simple and declarative, I don't feel I know
> if we should be escalating issues into Issues or not.
>
> Is there a convenient time for us to chat?
>
> Addison
>
> Addison Phillips
> Globalization Architect (Lab126)
> Chair (W3C I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
>
> Internationalization is not a feature.
> It is an architecture.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> > To: Richard Ishida; Phillips, Addison
> > Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> > Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> > Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> >
> > One further thought, if you think a phone call would help to
> > explain the HTML WG processes please just let me know.
> >
> > /paulc
> >
> > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > Tel: <%28425%29%20705-9596>(425) 705-9596 Fax: <%28425%29%20936-7329>(425)
> 936-7329
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Cotton
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:33 AM
> > To: 'Richard Ishida'; Phillips, Addison
> > Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> > Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> > Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> >
> > > Aharon didn't really understood what he had to do here, and
> > Addison and I weren't able to understand it either.
> >
> > The HTML WG Chairs sent the following email on Sep 7, 2010 that
> > outlined a plan for how the WG was going to get to Last Call:
> >
> > Timeline to Last Call
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
> >
> > > Reminder: - Jan 22, 2010 is the cutoff for escalating bugs for
> > pre-LC consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal
> > issued by this date.
> > >Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations will be
> > treated as a Last Call comment.
> >
> > If you review the message above it explains in detail what Sam was
> > trying to explain.  Basically in your case if you disagreed with
> > the disposition of any of your bugs that were filed before Oct 1,
> > you had until Jan 22 to request that they be escalated into WG
> > Tracker issues.
> >
> > Please let me know if you understand the situations after reviewing
> > the above message and this email.
> >
> > /paulc
> >
> > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > Tel: <%28425%29%20705-9596>(425) 705-9596 Fax: <%28425%29%20936-7329>(425)
> 936-7329
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida@w3.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:36 AM
> > To: Phillips, Addison
> > Cc: Paul Cotton; public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby
> > (rubys@intertwingly.net); Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com);
> > Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> > Subject: Re: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> >
> > I think one specific question was, what does this mean:
> >
> > "--- Comment #57 from Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> 2011-01-17
> > 21:54:41 UTC ---
> > Reminder: - Jan 22, 2010 is the cutoff for escalating bugs for pre-
> > LC consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal issued
> > by this date.
> > Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations will be
> > treated as a Last Call comment.
> > "
> >
> > Aharon didn't really understood what he had to do here, and Addison
> > and I weren't able to understand it either.
> >
> > RI
> >
> > Richard Ishida
> > Internationalization Activity Lead
> > W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/International/
> > http://rishida.net/
> >
> > On 10/02/2011 06:11, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> > > Hello Paul,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the response. Our list of re-opened bugs is scattered
> > across a couple of teleconferences. We'll pull the list together
> > for you. It isn't a long list.
> > >
> > > I am not sure that our intention was to escalate them to WG
> > issues, at least, not in all cases. Our goal was to decide whether
> > your WG's or editor's proposed resolution satisfied us. I'm not
> > sure that any issues require resolution before LC, assuming that LC
> > issues will be dealt with on an equal footing. Nonetheless, I will
> > check with the WG membership before committing to any particular
> > resolution.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Addison
> > >
> > > Addison Phillips
> > > Globalization Architect (Lab126)
> > > Chair (W3C I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
> > >
> > > Internationalization is not a feature.
> > > It is an architecture.
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:53 PM
> > >> To: Phillips, Addison
> > >> Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net);
> > >> Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith
> > (mike@w3.org)
> > >> Subject: RE: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> > >>
> > >>> Recently (a few weeks ago, actually), our WG reopened a few
> > bugs
> > >> filed before your cutoff date. We would like to know how these
> > will
> > >> be handled, etc. That is: what is your process for clearing our
> > open
> > >> bugs?
> > >>
> > >> Can you help us here by explicitly listing the bugs you re-
> > opened?
> > >>
> > >> Please note that the Jan 22 deadline was for the escalation of
> > bugs
> > >> into WG issues.  See:
> > >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
> > html/2010Sep/0074.html
> > >>
> > >>> - Jan 22, 2010 - cutoff for escalating bugs for pre-LC
> > >> consideration - all issues in tracker, calls for proposal issued
> > by
> > >> this date
> > >>> Consequences of missing this date: any further escalations will
> > >> be treated as a Last Call comment.
> > >>
> > >> Was your intent to convert the re-opened bugs in WG Issues to
> > ensure
> > >> they were handled before Last Call?
> > >>
> > >> /paulc
> > >>
> > >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > >> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > >> Tel: <%28425%29%20705-9596>(425) 705-9596 Fax: <%28425%29%20936-7329>(425)
> 936-7329
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Phillips, Addison [mailto:addison@lab126.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:48 AM
> > >> To: Paul Cotton; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net); Maciej
> > Stachowiak
> > >> (mjs@apple.com); Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> > >> Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org
> > >> Subject: process question and query about ISSUE-88
> > >>
> > >> Dear HTML5 WG chairs,
> > >>
> > >> I have been tasked [1][2] by the Internationalization WG with
> > >> touching base with you about two topics.
> > >>
> > >> 1. Recently (a few weeks ago, actually), our WG reopened a few
> > bugs
> > >> filed before your cutoff date. We would like to know how these
> > will
> > >> be handled, etc. That is: what is your process for clearing our
> > open
> > >> bugs?
> > >>
> > >> 2. We noticed also that ISSUE-88 seems to have gone dormant and
> > are
> > >> wondering about the status of this issue. There is no recent
> > update
> > >> on http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html. Is any
> > progress
> > >> being made there.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Addison
> > >>
> > >> [1] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/16 ACTION-16
> > [2]
> > >> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/19 ACTION-19
> > >>
> > >> Addison Phillips
> > >> Globalization Architect (Lab126)
> > >> Chair (W3C I18N, IETF IRI WGs)
> > >>
> > >> Internationalization is not a feature.
> > >> It is an architecture.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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