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RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning

From: Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:42:10 +0100
To: "'Mark Davis'" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>, "'Addison Phillips'" <addison.phillips@quest.com>
Cc: <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, "'Paul Cotton'" <pcotton@microsoft.com>, <w3c-xsl-query@w3.org>, <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
Message-ID: <E1EFFjf-0005kj-UH@lisa.w3.org>

It's certainly a valid point. The reason we record date of birth without a
timezone (and without a time) is because we don't know the timezone and we
have no interest in knowing it, not because there isn't a timezone
associated with the original event. Date of retirement might be a better
example.

Michael Kay 



> Note: someone in IBM objected to the statement:
> 
>  > One application for this type of representation is for values that 
> are time zone independent, representing a logical event 
> divorced from a 
> particular location on the Earth. For example, a person's 
> birth date is 
> independent of time zone.
> 
> He has a certain point. My birth date is not really 
> disconnected, since 
> it is based on the time zone where I was born. For example, I 
> was born 
> at 7:32 PT on Sept 13 (and for those who like puzzles, my age 
> today in 
> hex is the transposition of my name in decimal).
> 
> Should we use a different example or slightly different wording?
> 
> Mark
> 
> Addison Phillips wrote:
> > Dear Ashok,
> > 
> > Thanks for this update and the changes, which look fine. We 
> took an action in our meeting today to reduce the Wiki to 
> Note format and request publication as a Note ASAP. You 
> should see the first transition request next week.
> > 
> > Addison
> > 
> > Addison P. Phillips
> > Globalization Architect, Quest Software
> > Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
> > 
> > Internationalization is not a feature.
> > It is an architecture. 
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:44 AM
> >>To: Addison Phillips; Paul Cotton
> >>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
> >>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
> >>
> >>The XML Query and the XSL WGs decided that the text on the Wiki page
> >>was acceptable for publication as a note as long as a 
> couple of changes
> >>were made.  I have made the changes.
> >>
> >>Can you publish the material as a note?  Please inform us 
> when that is
> >>done
> >>and we will add the appropriate reference from the F&O.
> >>
> >>All the best, Ashok
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Addison Phillips [mailto:addison.phillips@quest.com]
> >>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:49 AM
> >>>To: Paul Cotton; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
> >>>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
> >>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
> >>>
> >>>Hi Paul,
> >>>
> >>>I had an action item to follow up this week with Ashok. I
> >>>believe we are done with our editing homework. The question
> >>>is what form the health warning should take in your document.
> >>>Our text is slightly long.
> >>>
> >>>We want to suggest that we publish our document as a Note and
> >>>that you include a reference to it in your document.
> >>>
> >>>The document itself is currently located in the Wiki:
> >>>
> >>>http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nFAQTimeZone#preview
> >>>
> >>>Please let us know if you have particular concerns with the
> >>>content or if you prefer a different course of action for
> >>>including material from it in yours.
> >>>
> >>>Addison
> >>>
> >>>Addison P. Phillips
> >>>Globalization Architect, Quest Software
> >>>Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
> >>>
> >>>Internationalization is not a feature.
> >>>It is an architecture.
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Paul Cotton [mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com]
> >>>>Sent: 2005?8?31? 20:55
> >>>>To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Addison Phillips
> >>>>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org
> >>>>Subject: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>ACTION A-Redmond05-01 Ashok will work with Addison to
> >>>
> >>>develop text
> >>>
> >>>>>for the timezone health warning.  ETA end of August.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is the text for the health warning ready?  If it is can one of you
> >>>>please reply to this message with the proposed text or a
> >>>
> >>>pointer to it?
> >>>
> >>>>/paulc
> >>>>
> >>>>Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> >>>>17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
> >>>>Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329 
> mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
Received on Tuesday, 13 September 2005 18:42:45 GMT

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