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Re: Arguments against HTML double-sided ruby (was: Re: Memo from ruby disucssion with Roland)

From: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:47:59 +0900
Message-ID: <CALvn5EDoHTTHN2F6C_-c4MFoHv5o99x8uL=pK2133BU73Q5dJg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "public-i18n-cjk@w3.org" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
Cc: "KOBAYASHI Tatsuo(FAMILY Given)" <tlk@kobysh.com>
I am wondering why there have been no reactions to my mail.  Or,
do people discuss about double-sided ruby only for justifying optional
rb elements rather than committing to HTML double-sided ruby?

Note that double-sided ruby "is also very rare.",  according to JLRec.

http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-jlreq-20111129/#choice_of_sides_for_ruby_with_respect_to_base_characters

Regards,
Makoto

2012/2/22 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>:
> Should HTML (and CSS) support double-sided ruby?  I think that
> more discussions are needed before we discuss about the design
> of HTML markup.
>
> First, as I wrote in my mail "Desiderata for automatic layout of
> double-sided ruby", an important example of double-sided ruby
> makes automatic formatting and markup design (ruby for ruby,
> and right-left-swapping) very difficult.  What is the scope of
> double-sided ruby?
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2012JanMar/0067.html
>
> Second, annotations have become an important topic for the WWW
> and e-book.  NISO, W3C, and IDPF are very much interested in
> allowing people to create annotations for their own documents or
> other documents.  What is the relationship between ruby and
> annotations?  Here is one possibility: ruby is just one way for
> formatting annotations, and we need a generalized mechanism for
> annotation formatting.  HTML ruby is just a short cut for simple
> and common cases, which are not double-sided.  Further
> generalizations of HTML ruby are questionable.
>
> http://www.niso.org/topics/ccm/e-book_annotation/
> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
> http://code.google.com/p/epub-revision/wiki/Annotations
>
> I am not convinced why a specialized solution for double-sided
> ruby is needed.  (It is not only me who argues against HTML
> double-sided ruby in public-html-ig-jp@w3.org).  If there is a
> consensus to introduce such a solution, I would like to request
> that my favorite books (the collection from Kodan-sha) be covered.
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
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