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Re: Comments on HCG draft charter

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:56:42 +0100
Message-ID: <137689949.20110311155642@w3.org>
To: Robin Berjon <robin@robineko.com>
CC: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>, Deborah Dahl <dahl@conversational-technologies.com>, public-hypertext-cg <public-hypertext-cg@w3.org>
On Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:23:52 PM, Robin wrote:


>> 4. Rather than explicitly identify some of the W3C Groups as "(Public)" (and some are missing that tag such as WebApps), perhaps tagging should just go the hopefully very small set of WGs that are still Private/Member.

RB> DAP is also not listed as public.

(Yes it is)

RB> DAP's description seems to have pasted from what people thought
RB> the MWI would be in the XXth century.

Heh. Fixed with a paste from what the DAP page says.

RB> Pardon my ignorance, but do we still have a Forms WG? Its charter
RB> lists it as having expired in 2009.

According to the (Member-only,no idea why) list of W3C Working Groups
http://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
it ends 2012-03-31

I agree that charters should be updated with revised end dates when groups are extended. But that also seems to have happened:
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2009/charter2010
"End date 	31 March 2012"



RB> Do we expect the SYMM WG to last beyond its current extension
RB> which runs out at the end of the month? It's not important but I
RB> not that its WG page states that it's the "3nd" SYMM WG :)

I'm not sure. I thought the plan was that they would not be extended any more and that they would spend the last 6 months of their time in coordination ... I will check back on what the current plan is.

RB> The TTWG is also marked as having expired in 2009. 

Again from http://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/

	2011-03-31

 
RB> This made me
RB> think that perhaps charters should be required to mention
RB> extensions, and that all closed groups should have a message
RB> clearly saying so on their home page.

Agree to both.

RB> WebCGM expires at the end of next month, will it be renewed?

I doubt it.

RB> Conversely, a flurry of new groups (notifications, performance,
RB> audio, real time) have been or are being chartered that should probably be listed.

No problem for the ones that *are* chartered. For the ones that have not yet been created, 

RB> I'm not aware that we have any coordination with any of the
RB> organisations listed. Some individual groups may (e.g. I'm
RB> guessing WebCGM talks to ISO and TT to ATSC) but those aren't
RB> CG-level. As far as I can see ECMA is the only one, though maybe
RB> we should include Khronos as well.

Khronos relates to a couple, agreed. So does ISO(mainly SC 29)

RB> Just because pedantry is universally enjoyable, given that
RB> bi-weekly is ambiguous, should we say fortnightly?

It said fortnightly a few revisions back and was changed to bi-weekly  due to review comments because apparently 'fortnightly' is not a well understood concept. I changed it to 'every two weeks' which is hopefully clear.

RB> "When the Co-chair put a question" -> Co-chairs. Later it becomes "Co-Chairs".

Yup, fixed.

RB> "possibly after a formal vote" I'm curious as to how that would
RB> work. I don't have time to perform an in-depth analysis but it
RB> doesn't seem entirely clear from the Process. In such a vote
RB> Members can only have at most one vote, but this doesn't seem
RB> appropriate. Also, Good Standing normally applies but it's not
RB> considered relevant in CGs. More importantly, it would probably be
RB> a very daft thing to do anyway. I'd recommend we remove this
RB> mention. If we disagree with the CG consensus we'll simply make
RB> snide comments on Twitter, as usual.

I agree that the voting procedure (not that we have ever needed to use it) for WGs is clearly not applicable here. Removed.








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 Chris Lilley   Technical Director, Interaction Domain                 
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
 Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups
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