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Re: a few suggestions on marking up comments [WAS Is the current definition of the article element in HTML useful?]

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:33:58 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmF0D_EuCgpPJeCJQVJ3rdfXnyRSBKOSMUA-28O2j6sDw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Hi Silvia,

I am not overly keen on the ul > article idea myself, its an experiment, a
discussion point, but what it does is illustrate the useful information
conveyed by a list structure that is missing from the current
recommendation.


regards
Steve

On 25 January 2013 12:15, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:

> My gut feeling says that the second one opens the door to a lot of bad
> markup. People will start thinking that other elements can follow this list
> pattern, too. I don't think it should be allowed. I'd prefer the explicit
> use of list elements, possibly with <article> inside.
> Silvia.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I have sketched out a few possibilities:
>> 1 conservative, 1 less so.
>>
>> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/comments.html
>>
>>
>> regards
>> SteveF
>>
>>
>> On 23 January 2013 10:41, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I think the definition of the article element in HTML [1] is overly
>>> vague and broad, which leads to intended and unintended use that
>>> undermines its usefulness as a semantic construct for users that
>>> actually consume its semantics such as screen reader users.
>>>
>>> For example, the spec promotes the use of article as a container of,
>>> well, an article and also for each instance of a comment on an article
>>> (example: [2]).
>>> Yet there is no defined method of exposing the semantic differences
>>> between an article in the common understanding of the term and when
>>> used as defined in the broader HTML definition.
>>>
>>> I suggest that the authoring advice and requirments in regards to the
>>> article element need to be reviewed and perhaps modified in light of
>>> usage data [4], how the semantics are exposed and conveyed in user
>>> agents, issues articulated in articles and blog posts (example: [3])
>>> on how to use it and feedback from users and developers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/sections.html#the-article-element
>>> [2]
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/07/tories-laughing-again-deborah-orr
>>> [3] http://html5doctor.com/designing-a-blog-with-html5/
>>> [4] http://www.html5accessibility.com/HTML5data/article/
>>> --
>>> with regards
>>>
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>> Technical Director - TPG
>>
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>>
>>
>
>


-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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