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Re: a few suggestions on marking up comments [WAS Is the current definition of the article element in HTML useful?]

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:15:28 +1100
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2kdb982TQRmyP7fDxcmbk4fckGpaTcriOPeHDdZrju3Mg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
My gut feeling says that the second one opens the door to a lot of bad
markup. People will start thinking that other elements can follow this list
pattern, too. I don't think it should be allowed. I'd prefer the explicit
use of list elements, possibly with <article> inside.
Silvia.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Steve Faulkner
<faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote:

> I have sketched out a few possibilities:
> 1 conservative, 1 less so.
>
> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/comments.html
>
>
> regards
> SteveF
>
>
> On 23 January 2013 10:41, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think the definition of the article element in HTML [1] is overly
>> vague and broad, which leads to intended and unintended use that
>> undermines its usefulness as a semantic construct for users that
>> actually consume its semantics such as screen reader users.
>>
>> For example, the spec promotes the use of article as a container of,
>> well, an article and also for each instance of a comment on an article
>> (example: [2]).
>> Yet there is no defined method of exposing the semantic differences
>> between an article in the common understanding of the term and when
>> used as defined in the broader HTML definition.
>>
>> I suggest that the authoring advice and requirments in regards to the
>> article element need to be reviewed and perhaps modified in light of
>> usage data [4], how the semantics are exposed and conveyed in user
>> agents, issues articulated in articles and blog posts (example: [3])
>> on how to use it and feedback from users and developers.
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/sections.html#the-article-element
>> [2]
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/07/tories-laughing-again-deborah-orr
>> [3] http://html5doctor.com/designing-a-blog-with-html5/
>> [4] http://www.html5accessibility.com/HTML5data/article/
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>>
>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
>
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