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Re: Proposal for the deprecation of <blockquote>

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:15:46 +0200
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@hsivonen.fi>, Heydon Pickering <heydon@heydonworks.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20130819151546246147.2ae775ac@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Hi Steve. There could be two <footer> elements in the blockquote - one 
inside a quoted <article>, and one outside the quoted <article>. Would 
the AT user then be able to discern the footers from each others? 
Example:

<blockquote><article>The Quote.
            <footer>About The Article.</footer></article>
            <footer>About the Quote.</footer></blockquote>

I also wonder whether the user, in the following example, would 
perceive the footer as a footer relating to the <h1> element (and its 
implied section) or as a footer relating to the <blockelement> - seems 
only the content of the <footer> would enable the user to know:

<blockquote><h1>Quoted heading</h1>
            <p>Quoted body text</p>
            <footer>About the Quote</footer></blockquote>

Your argument in the bug[1] is that the spec says that <footer> is 
related to "nearest ancestor … sectioning root element". However, the 
spec says the same about <heading> and <h1>-<h6>, thus it is not 
logical to take that wording to mean that <footer> speaks about the 
quotation - at the meta level, any more than it is logical to assume 
the same about <header> and <h1>-<h6>.

With a new, dedicated element that is *only* permitted as direct child 
of <blockquote> (just as <figcaption> is only permitted as direct child 
of <figure>), would solve these problem and be easier to understand, 
use and present to the user.

[1] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996#c9


Leif Halvard Silli

Steve Faulkner replied, Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:58:04 +0100:
> AT such as JAWS Announces when the virtual cursor enters or exits a
> blockquote element. Navigate by and list instances of blockquote element in
> document.
> 
> And JAWS also recognises and announces <footer>
> 
> so for the example code:
> 
> <blockquote>
>   <p>The blockquote element represents a section that is quoted from
> another source.</p>
>     <footer>— <cite><a href="
> 
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element">W3C
> HTML5 specification</a></cite></footer>
> </blockquote>
> 
> The use of the footer element is an improvement to user experience as it
> identifies the citation as content information.
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