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Re: Proposal for the deprecation of <blockquote>

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:40:18 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VkQ1aP24=L0DEOtLDb1BGOzBAka_3DHtO61Gb_JmD8xGg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
a  question: what is wrong (if anything) with using <footer> in this
context to delineate citation from quote?

<blockquote>
  <p>Do you like my goat<del>s</del>ee?</p>
  <footer><cite>bruce lawson</cite> - <time>August 2013</time></footer>
</blockquote>

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 16 August 2013 13:12, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jukka,
>
> I don't think I saw any actual reason, but that's really immaterial.
>>
>
> to put it another way, I didnt see any good argument to restrict it
>
> From my review of the data, it is often used for attributing something to
> an author (some examples)
>
> Posted by <cite>jvaughan</cite>
>>
>> <cite class="textalt text2xsml">~ Bob, Thornleigh</cite>
>>
>> <cite class="e company"><a href="/encyclopedia/company.php?id=10">Manga
>> Entertainment</a></cite> says release is likely on October 22, will
>> include digital comic.
>>
>> <cite class="e person"><a href="/encyclopedia/people.php?id=1009">Kouichi
>> Yamadera</a></cite>, <cite class="e person"><a
>> href="/encyclopedia/people.php?id=75973">Hiromasa Taguchi</a></cite>
>>
>> <cite>&mdash;&nbsp;<span class="quotescollection_author">Mark
>> S</span></cite>
>>
>> <cite id="comments">
>> 00644: <a href='http://www.ask-oracle.com/members/stefjay/'
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>>
>> <cite>
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>> </cite>
>>
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>
>
> On 16 August 2013 12:35, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>wrote:
>
>> 2013-08-16 14:10, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>> Ok so reading the various historical threads and articles on the issue
>>> there appears to be good reasons for allowing the use of <cite> in context
>>> of an citing an author as well as a title of a work.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think I saw any actual reason, but that's really immaterial.
>>
>>
>>  Looking at how cite is used in the wild [1] it is often used in this way.
>>>
>>
>> Looking at the collection of actual usage, although it is often difficult
>> to guess what the content really is and why <cite> is used, it becomes
>> evident that software processing HTML documents cannot make any assumptions
>> about the meaning of <cite>. Since people use e.g. <cite>|<cite>,
>> <cite>46,282</cite>, and <cite>Copyright &copy; 2012 Fairfax Media</cite>,
>> there's nothing semantic we can assume. The only thing that we can
>> reasonably infer is that authors probably wanted the text to appear in
>> italic, since that's how browsers actually render <cite>, and that's all
>> they do with it.
>>
>> Since <cite> is in practice just one of the ways to italicize text (along
>> with <i>, <em>, and <var>), there's no reason to assume that authors
>> haven't used it that way inside <blockquote> elements, too. So assigning a
>> semantic role to it when appearing in <blockquote> would be arbitrary and
>> lead to wrong conclusions about existing documents.
>>
>> The practical impact would be small, if no software would actually do
>> something based on a definition that says that <cite> somehow semantically
>> relates to an enclosing <blockquote>. But if programs won't do such things,
>> what does it matter which markup is used for quotations amd citations?
>>
>> --
>> Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~**jkorpela/<http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/>
>>
>>
>>
>
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