W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-html@w3.org > August 2013

Re: Proposal for the deprecation of <blockquote>

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:12:00 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+V=QOacZtTftsMDSKNxiUXOL7Z3kcMU-0mHdts4qPompeQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Jukka K. Korpela" <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Hi Jukka,

I don't think I saw any actual reason, but that's really immaterial.
>

to put it another way, I didnt see any good argument to restrict it

>From my review of the data, it is often used for attributing something to
an author (some examples)

Posted by <cite>jvaughan</cite>
>
> <cite class="textalt text2xsml">~ Bob, Thornleigh</cite>
>
> <cite class="e company"><a href="/encyclopedia/company.php?id=10">Manga
> Entertainment</a></cite> says release is likely on October 22, will
> include digital comic.
>
> <cite class="e person"><a href="/encyclopedia/people.php?id=1009">Kouichi
> Yamadera</a></cite>, <cite class="e person"><a
> href="/encyclopedia/people.php?id=75973">Hiromasa Taguchi</a></cite>
>
> <cite>&mdash;&nbsp;<span class="quotescollection_author">Mark
> S</span></cite>
>
> <cite id="comments">
> 00644: <a href='http://www.ask-oracle.com/members/stefjay/'
> class='url'>stef</a> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> <a class="usuario" href="/usuario/kyra-on" title="Ir a la página de
> usuario de Maria Gonzalez">Maria Gonzalez</a>
> <img src="http://img.genbetasocialmedia.com/lp2/v2/images/stars-4.png"
> alt="*" />
> </cite>
>

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 16 August 2013 12:35, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>wrote:

> 2013-08-16 14:10, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
>> Ok so reading the various historical threads and articles on the issue
>> there appears to be good reasons for allowing the use of <cite> in context
>> of an citing an author as well as a title of a work.
>>
>
> I don't think I saw any actual reason, but that's really immaterial.
>
>
>  Looking at how cite is used in the wild [1] it is often used in this way.
>>
>
> Looking at the collection of actual usage, although it is often difficult
> to guess what the content really is and why <cite> is used, it becomes
> evident that software processing HTML documents cannot make any assumptions
> about the meaning of <cite>. Since people use e.g. <cite>|<cite>,
> <cite>46,282</cite>, and <cite>Copyright &copy; 2012 Fairfax Media</cite>,
> there's nothing semantic we can assume. The only thing that we can
> reasonably infer is that authors probably wanted the text to appear in
> italic, since that's how browsers actually render <cite>, and that's all
> they do with it.
>
> Since <cite> is in practice just one of the ways to italicize text (along
> with <i>, <em>, and <var>), there's no reason to assume that authors
> haven't used it that way inside <blockquote> elements, too. So assigning a
> semantic role to it when appearing in <blockquote> would be arbitrary and
> lead to wrong conclusions about existing documents.
>
> The practical impact would be small, if no software would actually do
> something based on a definition that says that <cite> somehow semantically
> relates to an enclosing <blockquote>. But if programs won't do such things,
> what does it matter which markup is used for quotations amd citations?
>
> --
> Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~**jkorpela/ <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/>
>
>
>
Received on Friday, 16 August 2013 12:13:19 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Thursday, 29 October 2015 10:16:34 UTC