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Re: device independent title attribute support in browsers and follow up question

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:45:01 +0100
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=xBZchbYUrsx0kDbOL7w=A5-WtTg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>, Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
It is interesting to note that Chaals has shown that it takes trivial effort
to expose title attribute content on focus using CSS, I wonder why no
browser implementors have done so?


regards
stevef

On 9 May 2011 11:29, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks Chaals,
>
> but you didn't actually answer any of the original questions:
>
>
> "Can any of the representatives from browser vendors provide
> information as to when the title attribute will be implemented so:
>
> * keyboard only users are aware that a title attribute is present on an
> element?
> * keyboard only users are able to access the title attribute content
> on an element using the keyboard?
> * The display of the title attribute content is configurable so that
> users of screen magnifiers are able view title attribute content
> within the viewport?
> * access to title attribute content will be available on mobile and
> touch browsers?"
>
> the extension is a nice idea:
>
> Is this something that Opera plan will provide natively?
> keyboard access to content should not be something people have to go and
> seek out an extension for.
> The extension does not provide access to any title attribute content that
> is not on a focusable element. which doesn't resolve the use case for titles
> on images to act as a caption.
>
> regards
> Steve
>
>
> On 9 May 2011 11:18, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 May 2011 11:26:53 +0200, Steve Faulkner <
>> faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>> I originally requested feedback on April 19th, since the 2 vendors have
>>> indicated that they have no plans to implement device independent access
>>> to the title attribute.
>>>
>>> Can it be taken that the lack of response from Apple and Opera that they
>>> also have no plans?
>>>
>>
>> No, that would be reading too much into me not replying in a timely
>> manner.
>>
>> FYI I just submitted an extension that does this for Opera. It's described
>> at http://my.opera.com/chaals/blog/keytitle-extension and is extreely
>> trivial - could probably be done for other browsers in a matter of minutes
>> with a bit of copy/paste.
>>
>>  *A further question:*
>>>
>>>
>>> Do any vendors have plans to follow webkit's lead and display the title
>>> attribute content in place of an image when the image is not rendered?
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe we have any such plan (I hope not, too).
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> --
>> Charles McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
>>    je parle franšais -- hablo espa˝ol -- jeg lŠrer norsk
>> http://my.opera.com/chaals       Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
>
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Steve Faulkner
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