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Re: Request to reopen HTML-ISSUE-30

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:14:48 -0600
Message-ID: <AANLkTingD8oMgQ0eVgNfiprde46OqJQU9=hs-E=pTd4p@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
On 2/24/11, Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com> wrote:
> Hi Laura,
> You wrote:
>> This is the data:
>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/ld.html
> This is really well put together, thanks! I'm looking through this,
> trying to find information that was unavailable to the Working Group at
> the time of the ISSUE-30 decision.
> * In general, Working Group participants were aware that some web
>   authors have managed to use longdesc="" correctly, so I so far haven't
>   learned anything new in the Examples In the Wild section.
> * Use Cases: this is awesome, thanks for pulling these together. While
>   these use cases are certainly much more fleshed-out than in the
>   original ISSUE-30 proposal[1], I think the spirit of them was covered
>   in the original issue. All eight use cases are handled in the spec as
>   it currently is, either via aria-describedby="" or other mechanisms.
> In conclusion, while I really appreciate the level of care and effort
> you've obviously put into this effort, it's not clear to me that there's
> any substantially new information available at this time.
> --
> Edward O'Connor
> eoconnor@apple.com
> 1.
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=LongdescRetention&oldid=7521#Use_Cases

Hi Ted,

* ISSUE 30 poll closed on July 1, 2010. [1]
* The Chair's previous decision was on was on August 11, 2010. [2] [3]
* The old Wiki information at time of poll and decision is at [4].
  - It include these for Use Cases [5]
  - It include these for examples [6]. I think one of those examples
is included in the new research.
  - Note: I did not contributed any content to that page up to that point. [7]
* The next time information was added to that old Wiki page was August
24, 2010 when I added the decision info. [8] [9].
* For other new information and  research please refer to my email to Sam. [10]
* To understand the new documented uses cases please refer to the
particular constraints and use scenarios for each of the eight cases.
The terms "constraints" and "use scenarios" are defined in the use
case key. [11]
* The "Suggested Alternatives Are Not Viable Solutions" [12] and the
"Related Solutions Do Not Negate the Need for longdesc" [13] sections
of the change proposal may also be helpful to you.

Best Regards,

[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-30-objection-poll/results
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0112.html
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/att-0112/issue-30-decision.html
[4] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=LongdescRetention&oldid=5725
[5] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=LongdescRetention&oldid=5725#Use_Cases
[6] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=LongdescRetention&oldid=5725#Examples
[7] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=LongdescRetention&limit=500&action=history
[9] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=LongdescRetention&diff=prev&oldid=7317
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0394.html
[11] http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/usecasekey.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/InstateLongdesc#Suggested_Alternatives_Are_Not_Viable_Solutions
[13] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/InstateLongdesc#Related_Solutions_Do_Not_Negate_the_Need_for_longdesc

Laura L. Carlson
Received on Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:16:12 GMT

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