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Re: Looking for more editors

From: Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:01:45 -0400
Message-ID: <207d16d0809011301n54fa1d1dk1b1982f57919afc8@mail.gmail.com>
To: "HTML WG" <public-html@w3.org>
Other Justin has certainly described my situation - I am not on of the few
dozen ideal editors. I joined this group because I knew a decent amount
about HTML and something about how browsers work and I wanted to help fix
the problems that I saw in HTML, but I've gotten in over my head in terms of
volume and technical skill.

Sometimes I peek in on these messages to see what's happening, but generally
I just see that I've gotten e-mails from one of the eight or so persons who
are primarily developing HTML5 - Ian, Olivier, Other Justin, Henri, etc.
That's not a complaint - maybe sour grapes - but my assessment of the
problem of looking for more editors. I think that Other Justin is pretty
much dead-on.


On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Justin James <j_james@mindspring.com>wrote:

> I agree, that list of qualifications is a "wish list". While it is a great
> list, I agree with the sentiment expressed by other that at this point, you
> will have to accept anyone who steps up and volunteers, and see how it
> goes.
> That list describes... what... a few *dozen* people on the planet maybe?
> 100, tops?
> It is a shame that there is no funding for this. Only a very small number
> of
> companies have enough care for HTML and the money to actually pay an
> employee to be the editor, which in turn can lead to the *appearance* of a
> conflict of interest.
> I'm not normally a pessimist, but I think this is a no-win situation. From
> my experience with hiring people (try hiring truly senior, "uber-nerd"
> developers in Columbia South Carolina, if you want an impossible staffing
> request), the best approach, as Charles and others have pointed out, it
> might be time to go lateral with your thinking. Don't look at the
> *experiences* that are needed, look at the *traits* and the *skills* that
> are needed. From there, look for people that are technically minded, and
> with at least enough understanding of HTML and the industry to not make a
> mess. Let's get honest, it doesn't take an HTML/browser wizard to see if
> paragraph is in contradiction with subsection 7j. It just takes
> someone with a really strong mind and a good grasp of logic and language.
> I would suggest that if such a person were found and tricked into taking
> the
> job... I mean... volunteered themselves... that they could split the work
> with Ian (who has great tools and talent).
> J.Ja
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org] On
> > Behalf Of Julian Reschke
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:16 AM
> > To: Ian Hickson
> > Cc: HTML WG
> > Subject: Re: Looking for more editors
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian Hickson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 31 Aug 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
> > >> Anyway, if each feedback loop takes two years we have a serious
> > problem
> > >> that we need to fix, for instance by installing more editors [...]
> > >
> > > I've been asking for people to volunteer to actually take parts of
> > HTML5
> > > and edit them for years now. The problem is that very few people are
> > > actually willing to invest the (large) amount of time and effort
> > required.
> > > There are a number of areas where we've actually tried finding
> > editors:
> > > ...
> >
> > Ian,
> >
> > as Philip, I agree with some of these, but not all of them. The way you
> > describe the job it's unlikely you'll find somebody.
> >
> > Furthermore, while I agree it would be good if parts of the spec could
> > be moved into stand-alone documents, I don't think that this will be
> > sufficient -- unless we really cut the spec into different parts for
> > vocabulary, parsing, DOM and additional APIs.
> >
> > I don't think I would qualify myself, mainly because my background
> > doesn't include many things you're asking for, and also because I
> > already have committed myself to the editor role on that other
> > important
> > spec.
> >
> > BR, Julian

*Shalom and agape to all*


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