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Re: SVGWG SVG-in-HTML proposal (Was: ISSUE-41: Decentralized extensibility)

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:42:40 +0000 (UTC)
To: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0807300748130.30692@hixie.dreamhostps.com>

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Jeff Schiller wrote:
> > >
> > > http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?LinkID=110272
> >
> > This syntax, as well as the actual syntax that IE8 beta 1 implements 
> > (which to be frank is really very different from what the whitepaper 
> > describes), as well as the syntax supported in earlier versions of IE, 
> > and a number of variant syntaxes based on these ideas, have been 
> > seriously considered in excruciating detail already.
> 1) As one person who has missed this - can you please send me a link to 
> a discussion thread or document where these syntaces were discussed in 
> excruciating detail?

I do not believe that most of the research was documented. Most of it 
happens while experimenting with interactive tools like the Live DOM 
Viewer (and in the case of IE8's namespace parsing stuff, Philip's awesome 
"Zombie DOM Viewer" too), or chatting on IRC, or while I'm thinking about 
the subject in the shower.

> 4) Speaking on my own behalf, I've more and more felt that if browsers 
> can be required (asked? coerced? paid? convinced?) to support "View XML 
> DOM' in any context where they currently support 'View Source' that I 
> wouldn't have a problem with a new syntax for SVG in HTML, since the XML 
> DOM in text/html would exactly match the XML DOM in 
> application/xhtml+xml, right?

Firefox already has this for MathML and in the DOM inspector for all 

> In fact, once this capability is in place, I'd even go so far as to 
> propose this to be the browser default (CTRL+U keyboard accelerator, for 
> instance), though View Raw Source should always still be available.

The DOM inspector in Firefox also has a shortcut.

I agree that it would be great if other browsers picked up "XML view" 
mechanisms. That's up to them though. There's nothing we can put in the 
spec that would have any effect either way.

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