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RE: alt and authoring practices

From: Bonner, Matt (IPG) <matt.bonner@hp.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:03:06 +0000
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
CC: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>, Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, James Graham <jg307@cam.ac.uk>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>, "wai-liaison@w3.org" <wai-liaison@w3.org>
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MB> It seems like gathering data from various sources would advance this
MB> debate more usefully than any amount of speculation on what might be.

IH> What data would you like me to collect?

Well, the data from a web crawl that seem germane would be
along the lines of percentages of images for the oft-mentioned
three cases:

. have no alt attribute
. have an alt=""
. have an alt="(a descriptive string)"

Obviously that still gives you no sense how often the alt
text is useful, but it's a start.  One could imagine trying to run
algorithms against the alt text to get a sense of the frequency of
useful alt text, but that sounds more like research than data
collection. Not sure the alt-trust-level value can be determined
algorithmically. ;-)

Other data that would seem helpful:

. Current behavior of "alt-using" browsers (e.g. Lynx, assistive
  technologies) when finding those same three cases

. Results from usability studies of "alt-using" browser
  users--did current software work? where did it fail?

These are just my thoughts from the messages I have read. I
imagine those working heavily on such topics will have more ideas.

regards,
Matt
--
Matt Bonner
Hewlett-Packard Company

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From: Ian Hickson [mailto:ian@hixie.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:40 PM
To: Bonner, Matt (IPG)
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Subject: RE: alt and authoring practices

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Bonner, Matt (IPG) wrote:
>
> It seems like gathering data from various sources would advance this
> debate more usefully than any amount of speculation on what might be.

What data would you like me to collect?

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