- From: Gareth Hay <gazhay@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:57:13 +0100
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: Philip & Le Khanh <Philip-and-LeKhanh@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org>, tina@greytower.net, "Philip Taylor (Webmaster)" <P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
On 1 May 2007, at 01:23, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > >> Now, for reasons that I do not pretend to understand, the W3C seem >> to be bowing to >> pressure from the very same group (not of individuals, but of >> ?vested? interests) that created the mess in the first place, >> by which I mean the browser implementors. Remember that it >> was they (Microsoft, Netscape et al) that led to the bloated language >> that was HTML 3.2; now, with HTML 4.01 Strict already pointing >> the way to a leaner, cleaner, language, once again the browser >> implementors are seeking to re-introduce language bloat. But >> this time they are doing so in a way that is far harder for the >> W3C to resist : rather than each going his/her own way, they are >> actively working /with/ each other to either retain a feature >> that has already been formally deprecated, or to define a new set >> of "added value" elements; and whenever one of these is called >> into question, they defend its retention/introduction by screaming >> "interoperability" or "compatibility with the web". > > The whole paragraph above is exactly the sort of thing that makes > me think you have a bad attitude about browser vendors. Does the > language above sound like a good way to start a constructive > conversation? Do you think you will persuade anyone to your point > of view through intemperate, judgmental language like "vested > interests", "created the mess", "bloated language", "screaming > 'interoperability'", etc? Is it helpful to make it sound like > browser vendors working together is some sort of sinister conspiracy? > > Please reconsider your tone and try to engage in this process > politely and with reasoned arguments. Assuming bad faith on the > part of all browser vendors collectively (who, after all, showed up > here to engage in the standards process) is unlikely to be very > persuasive. > I personally could say the same about a large number of your posts, who make newcomers, who have no ties to the spec, or particular browsers, feel excluded and worthless in this process. Gareth
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