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Re: Support Existing Content

From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:00:24 -0700
Message-Id: <06C2B78A-B46A-4932-85E4-669C9E16AD82@apple.com>
Cc: Philip & Le Khanh <Philip-and-LeKhanh@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org>, tina@greytower.net, "Philip Taylor (Webmaster)" <P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
To: Gareth Hay <gazhay@gmail.com>

Hi Gareth,

On May 1, 2007, at 12:57 AM, Gareth Hay wrote:

> On 1 May 2007, at 01:23, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> The whole paragraph above is exactly the sort of thing that makes  
>> me think you have a bad attitude about browser vendors. Does the  
>> language above sound like a good way to start a constructive  
>> conversation? Do you think you will persuade anyone to your point  
>> of view through intemperate, judgmental language like "vested  
>> interests", "created the mess", "bloated language", "screaming  
>> 'interoperability'", etc? Is it helpful to make it sound like  
>> browser vendors working together is some sort of sinister conspiracy?
>> Please reconsider your tone and try to engage in this process  
>> politely and with reasoned arguments. Assuming bad faith on the  
>> part of all browser vendors collectively (who, after all, showed  
>> up here to engage in the standards process) is unlikely to be very  
>> persuasive.
> I personally could say the same about a large number of your posts,  
> who make newcomers, who have no ties to the spec, or particular  
> browsers, feel excluded and worthless in this process.

My apologies if my remarks have been insufficiently productive. I  
strive to base discussion on reasoned arguments tied to actual  
pragmatic concerns, and I've done my best to assume good faith on the  
part of others, even those I disagree with. I think most of us are  
here because we want to make the web a better place; we just don't  
all agree on what that means or how best to achieve it.

By the way, I don't think that courtesy requires accepting views that  
you disagree with, even after considering opposing arguments. But it  
does require considering arguments fairly, and arguing things based  
on technical merits rather than ad-hominem. I'd like to think that I  
hold longstanding web technology experts to the same standard as  
relative newcomers.

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