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Re: LONGDESC: some current problems and a proposed solution added to the wiki

From: Philip TAYLOR <Philip-and-LeKhanh@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org>
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:47:32 +0100
Message-ID: <46876A24.5080506@Royal-Tunbridge-Wells.Org>
To: Peter Krantz <peter.krantz@gmail.com>
CC: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>

Peter Krantz wrote:

> Ok, I was assuming that readers of this thread could imagine some
> other scenario. Let's change the example to make it more realistic:
> <picture src="http://homepage.floodcity.net/users/mastdog/ezrachurch.jpg">
>  <p>The coferedat  brigades of Lee, Thomas and Schfield  surround the
> city of Atlanta.</p>
>  <p>2 miles from Atlanta, close to Ezra church, Logan's base camp was
> set up.</p>
>  <p>Inside atlanta were:</p>

The first two <p>s would better have been *<sentence>s, if
such an element existed.  The last is not even that, and
would need to be a *<phrase> (all off-topic, of course,
but I do think it's helpful if example markup is not so
obviously flawed that one feels the urge to respond to it
before responding to the point in question).

> In my opinion this counts as reasonable fallback content for the
> linked picture. And, it isn't unreasonable to assume that this content
> would be valuable for all visitors to the page as would be the case
> for many other images that desribe more complex scenarios than a flag.

Why would a blind person want to hear (is  there were a sense-neutral
verb one that one can use in place of "see" and "hear" ?) the same
prose twice, once as mainstream copy and once as fallback text?

I think there /is/ an important point here, but it's simply
not coming across.  The real point at issue here is, I think,
"How is someone with visual impairment to know that two
elements on a page bear a relationship to each other,
and if so, what that relationship is ?".  I think this is
a pretty important issue in its own right, and is only
obfuscated by examples predicated on "fallback" material
that is actually mainstream.

Philip Taylor
Received on Sunday, 1 July 2007 08:49:12 UTC

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