- From: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:42:22 -0700
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
Hi Paul,
You wrote:
> The HTML Working Group will have its usual weekly teleconference on
>
> 2012-07-19 for up to 60 minutes from 16:00Z to 17:00Z.
The minutes are available in HTML at
http://www.w3.org/2012/07/19-html-wg-minutes.html or in plain text
below:
HTML Weekly Teleconference
19 Jul 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0011.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/19-html-wg-irc
Attendees
Present
yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike,
[Microsoft], eliot, Janina, Laura_Carlson
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
hober
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Action items due by Thursday, July 19
2. [6]New Issues This Week
3. [7]Items Closed Last Week
4. [8]Items Closing This Week
5. [9]Items Closing Next Week
6. [10]New Calls this week
7. [11]New Surveys this week
8. [12]Decisions this week
9. [13]Other Business
10. [14]ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-203 processing order
11. [15]Scribe for next week
12. [16]adjournment
* [17]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 19 July 2012
<rubys> ScribeNick: hober
<paulc> Good morning Sam
Action items due by Thursday, July 19
paulc: there are none
New Issues This Week
paulc: there are none
... There is 1 tracker request
[18]http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywo
rds=TrackerRequest
[18] http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
Items Closed Last Week
paulc: there are none
Items Closing This Week
ISSUE-199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements
for ARIA attributes -- open
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
[19] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/004
9.html
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0049.html
<discussion of problems with the w3c email archives>
<paulc>
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/009
2.html
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0092.html
CfC sent out 9 July; no replies
<rubys> +1
paulc: imminent close of ISSUE-199 accepting remaining CP
ISSUE-200?
<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND)
in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
[22] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
Straw Poll for Objections closes Jul 19
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/005
6.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0056.html
paulc: I encourage WG members to reply to the survey if they
have additional information to supply
yang: question about <legend> issue
... could we combine the <legend> and <caption> element into
one?
paulc: survey only covers change proposals on the table
... there was a lot of talk about this in the past; i recommend
you review the history of the issue before filing a new bug
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be
coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
[24] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
Straw Poll for Objections closes today
paulc: received request to stop the poll (to wait for ietf); we
declined
... going forward. if the ietf makes a decision we'll revisit
at that time
... survey closes today
Items Closing Next Week
ISSUE-203?
<trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the
ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions
associated to the element -- open
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
[25] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
Call for Consensus extension closes Jul 27
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/013
4.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0134.html
ISSUE-194?
<trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a
full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
[27] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
Straw Poll for Objections closes Jul 26
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/007
0.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0070.html
paulc: we negotiated an extension for the ISSUE-203 survey
New Calls this week
paulc: there are none
New Surveys this week
ISSUE-194?
<trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a
full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
[29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
paulc: received a request from laura to suspend this poll so
that issue-194 comes after issue-30
<paulc> Paul's response:
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/011
5.html
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0115.html
paulc: i respond this morning on behalf of the chairs
... i have not yet processed laura's subsequent response
... i will take up her question with my co-chairs
<rubys> I do believe that the decision on 194 will not have an
effect on 30
<paulc> Laura's response:
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/011
6.html
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0116.html
Decisions this week
ISSUE-184?
<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- closed
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
[32] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
WG Decision:
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/009
5.html
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0095.html
paulc: chairs prioritized 184 because it was blocking 183
... decision was to not include a type system for the <data>
element
<paulc> CP endorsed:
[34]http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/data_element
[34] http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/data_element
paulc: this will go into the queue of edits to be made by the
new editors
ISSUE-205?
<trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or
methods should be provided to those that wish to create
accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. --
closed
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
[35] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
WG Decision:
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/010
1.html
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0101.html
<paulc> CP endorsed:
[37]http://www.w3.org/wiki/No_edit_change_proposal_for_canvas_t
ext_editing
[37] http://www.w3.org/wiki/No_edit_change_proposal_for_canvas_text_editing
paulc: the accepted proposal requires no changes to the spec
... this will be closed out as well
... questions?
rubys: 184 was a no-change proposal
Other Business
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to
canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
[38] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
paulc:
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/010
2.html
... asking rich & frank if they have any other changes they
want to make for their CPs, given the 205 decision
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0102.html
frankolivier: i don't have any changes to my proposal
ISSUE-151?
<trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references
in status section of document -- open
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
[40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
[41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/009
1.html
[41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0091.html
paulc: doesn't require any action from the WG; the chairs will
delay 151 until new editors are appointed & new charter
finalized
... about text in status section that refers to the whatwg
... will take this up at the end of the next last call
... if you have concerns, reply to message 0091
ISSUE-183?
<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element
-- open
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
[42] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
paulc: was blocked by 184
[43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/010
3.html and
[44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/010
5.html
[43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0103.html
[44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0105.html
paulc: cameron is withdrawing his proposal
... leaves just one proposal standing
... we expect an immanent CfC on the remaining proposal for 183
ISSUE-201?
<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing
capability to fallback content -- open
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
[45] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
[46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/009
2.html
[46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0092.html
paulc: asking for input from CP authors (rich, charles, ted,
steve, frank)
... asking for any further changes; some outstanding questions
<paulc> Rich's questions:
[47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/004
0.html
[47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0040.html
paulc: discussed this this morning on the a11y tf call
... trying to arrange a meeting next tuesday
... frank and ted have been invited
<paulc> See request:
[48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Jul/001
3.html
[48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Jul/0013.html
paulc: chairs are trying to get all the cp proponents together
... should the two proposals remain as-is, or can we find more
consensus between them
... use of lightweight objects is main remaining area of
disagreement
ISSUE-203?
<trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the
ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions
associated to the element -- open
<trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
[49] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
[50]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/009
3.html
[50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0093.html
paulc: asking ted if he'd finished making edits
... answered positively
... depends on the processing order of ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30, and
ISSUE-203
ISSUE-204?
<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule
that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
<trackbot> [51]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
[51] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
[52]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/008
9.html
[52] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0089.html
paulc: chairs have identified the two remaining proposals
... trying to determine if they're ready for survey
... deadline today for feedback
hober: i'll reply to john's questions today
janina: will ted be available later this afternoon
hober: earlier pdt is better
ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-203 processing order
[53]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/009
4.html
[53] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0094.html
paulc: chairs believe there is a dependency order here
... will move onto issue-30 once we finish issue-204
... then on to 203
... wg participants have been asking about timetable
... like 184/183, and 205/131
... the chairs, after making a decision, will try to determine
if there is a cascading effect
... will give CP authors an opportunity to update proposals
based on decisions made
... chairs will not lock down specific schedule
... because of people's different workloads, schedules, etc.
<Zakim> plh, you wanted to discuss a question on 201
plh: question for frank: was your proposal merged with ted's?
frankolivier: ted updated his proposal; i'm happy with that
paulc: please reply on-list; will see if we can find more
common ground next week
Scribe for next week
<glenn> i can scribe
paulc: i'm chairing next week as well
plh: i can scribe
adjournment
paulc: we are adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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