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Re: Fulscreen Tag Proposal

From: Ron Reiter <ron.reiter@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:20:00 +0300
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0vXBgeJmRZwyyEVff-kzQuWTPP__CP9vObqnd@mail.gmail.com>
To: Daniel Hendrycks <kondo8@hotmail.com>
Cc: "public-html-comments@w3.org" <public-html-comments@w3.org>
I haven't noticed such a tag already exists for window.open.
True fullscreen support needs to be added, for better hardware level
support, such as other windowless plugins including Flash and Silverlight.
The current fullscreen tag only maximizes the window.

Maybe a tag called maximize can be added, to better define fullscreen mode.
For example, maximize="borderless" will enable fullscreen with no borders,
and maximize="hardware" will switch to hardware fullscreen mode. This mode
could even turn the width and height attributes to specify and control
hardware level resolution of the screen, instead of window dimensions.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Ron Reiter <ron.reiter@gmail.com> wrote:

> The correct design would be to use a window-less application for desktop
> applications, which then spawn windows using standard javascript and DOM
> (window.open function).
> http://www.pageresource.com/jscript/jwinopen.htm
> <http://www.pageresource.com/jscript/jwinopen.htm>Attributes such as
> width, height, scrollbars, toolbars, status bar, menubar, etc can be set.
> Adding an attribute "fullscreen=yes" could enable you to open a fullscreen
> window easily, using the currently implemented javascript support. That way,
> you won't need to reconsider the implicatoins such a tag has.
> Adding to your proposition, I suggest doing the opposite (which will
> eventually lead to the correct design of your idea) and adding a seperate
> DOCTYPE tag attribute called a "windowless application".
> Examples:
> <!DOCTYPE HTML windowless="true">
> Since the DOCTYPE tag must be the first tag in an HTML document, browsers
> could open window-less applications without a window, and allow such web
> applications to use the standard javascript API to spawn windows.
> With the addition of a fullscreen tag, one could configure a desktop
> application to open a web application directly in fullscreen mode.
> This capability enables HTML5 to be more flexible than any browser based
> plugin in the world.
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Hendrycks <kondo8@hotmail.com>wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:58:29 -0600, Ron Reiter <ron.reiter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I do think there is room for proposing tags for desktop applications
>> I am proposing this for HTML5, which is rendered by desktop applications.
>> I cannot really understand what you are saying, if you don't want HTML5 to
>> interact with the device, then that is quite contrary to things that are in
>> drafts for HTML5. Today, HTML Media Capture went in a draft phase, that
>> interacts with the device; that could be a security concern, too (you
>> mentioned security as an issue for the tag, earlier).
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html-media-capture-20100720/
>> "This puts HTML in direct competition with other technologies intended for
>> applications deployed over the Web, in particular Flash and Silverlight."
>> -Ian Hickson
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0215.html
>> As you can see, HTML5 is in competition with plug-ins, plug-ins can go in
>> fullscreen. YouTube said HTML is not ready for YouTube, one of the reasons
>> stated was: "HD video begs to be watched in full screen, but that has not
>> historically been possible with pure HTML."
>> There is a need for Fullscreen, I believe the syntax I gave is simple
>> enough to make it possible.
>> --
>> Daniel Hendrycks <http://my.opera.com/DanielHendrycks/>
> --
> -- Ron

-- Ron
Received on Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:20:34 UTC

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