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Re: Fulscreen Tag Proposal

From: Ron Reiter <ron.reiter@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:01:01 +0300
Message-ID: <AANLkTinqOM98hjjrZHXNoMqPc7T25zEJKTnJmndkm5qQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Daniel Hendrycks <kondo8@hotmail.com>
Cc: "public-html-comments@w3.org" <public-html-comments@w3.org>
The correct design would be to use a window-less application for desktop
applications, which then spawn windows using standard javascript and DOM
(window.open function).


<http://www.pageresource.com/jscript/jwinopen.htm>Attributes such as width,
height, scrollbars, toolbars, status bar, menubar, etc can be set.

Adding an attribute "fullscreen=yes" could enable you to open a fullscreen
window easily, using the currently implemented javascript support. That way,
you won't need to reconsider the implicatoins such a tag has.

Adding to your proposition, I suggest doing the opposite (which will
eventually lead to the correct design of your idea) and adding a seperate
DOCTYPE tag attribute called a "windowless application".

<!DOCTYPE HTML windowless="true">

Since the DOCTYPE tag must be the first tag in an HTML document, browsers
could open window-less applications without a window, and allow such web
applications to use the standard javascript API to spawn windows.

With the addition of a fullscreen tag, one could configure a desktop
application to open a web application directly in fullscreen mode.

This capability enables HTML5 to be more flexible than any browser based
plugin in the world.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Hendrycks <kondo8@hotmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:58:29 -0600, Ron Reiter <ron.reiter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I do think there is room for proposing tags for desktop applications
> I am proposing this for HTML5, which is rendered by desktop applications. I
> cannot really understand what you are saying, if you don't want HTML5 to
> interact with the device, then that is quite contrary to things that are in
> drafts for HTML5. Today, HTML Media Capture went in a draft phase, that
> interacts with the device; that could be a security concern, too (you
> mentioned security as an issue for the tag, earlier).
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html-media-capture-20100720/
> "This puts HTML in direct competition with other technologies intended for
> applications deployed over the Web, in particular Flash and Silverlight."
> -Ian Hickson
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0215.html
> As you can see, HTML5 is in competition with plug-ins, plug-ins can go in
> fullscreen. YouTube said HTML is not ready for YouTube, one of the reasons
> stated was: "HD video begs to be watched in full screen, but that has not
> historically been possible with pure HTML."
> There is a need for Fullscreen, I believe the syntax I gave is simple
> enough to make it possible.
> --
> Daniel Hendrycks <http://my.opera.com/DanielHendrycks/>

-- Ron
Received on Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:02:16 UTC

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