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Re: CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR exit criteria

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:03:51 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VkmKdCP3Q1Ld+XOTgrVhR58nbMweNWRNMEsvGOiK9RmyA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Cc: "public-html-admin@w3.org" <public-html-admin@w3.org>, "Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)" <rubys@intertwingly.net>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Paul,

role=presentation in browser (in general) removes an element from the
accessibility tree

so <img role=presentation> would not appear in the accessibility tree.

an implementation of this would be that <img alt=""> is not in the
accessibility tree

I believe there are no such implementations (have tested several)

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 27 June 2013 16:48, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Steve.****
>
> ** **
>
> > img<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#the-img-element>element whose
> alt<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#attr-img-alt>attribute's value is empty
> presentation role
>
> ****
>
> Could you help me understand the above text fragment?****
>
> ** **
>
> /paulc****
>
> ** **
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada****
>
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3****
>
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* Paul Cotton
> *Cc:* public-html-admin@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net); HTML
> Accessibility Task Force
> *Subject:* Re: CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR
> exit criteria****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi paul, ****
>
> here are some examples to support an objection:****
>
> ** **
>
> some examples:****
>
> in the section
> Implicit ARIA Semantics [1] and default ARIA semantics [2]  Strong Native
> Semantics****
>
>
> The h1-h6 elements are defined as requiring to have the aria- level
> property set to the element's outline depth<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/sections.html#outline-depth>
> ****
>
> this is not the case in any browser.
>
> The dialog<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/interactive-elements.html#the-dialog-element>element requires
> mapping to a dialog role this is not the case in any browser
>
> img<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#the-img-element>element whose
> alt<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#attr-img-alt>attribute's value is empty
> presentation role
>
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#sec-implicit-aria-semantics
> [2]
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#sec-strong-native-semantics
> ****
>
>
> ****
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF****
>
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>****
>
> ** **
>
> On 26 June 2013 17:20, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:****
>
> > When at least some of the implementation requirements in the sections
> are either not interoperably implemented or require verification****
>
>  ****
>
> Please note that I believe this statement is not sufficient as an
> objection.  See:****
>
>  ****
>
> > Objections of the form "features in 2.8.2.1 HTMLAllCollection are not
> currently interoperable" MUST be accompanied with specific evidence of
> non-interoperability, otherwise such objections will not be accepted by the
> Chairs.****
>
>  ****
>
> Please provided “specific evidence of non-interoperability” for the two
> sections mentioned in your email.****
>
>  ****
>
> /paulc****
>
> HTML WG co-chair****
>
>  ****
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada****
>
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3****
>
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:32 AM
> *To:* Paul Cotton
> *Cc:* public-html-admin@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net); HTML
> Accessibility Task Force****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR
> exit criteria****
>
>  ****
>
> Hi Paul, I note in the overview of testing doc[1] that the following
> sections are marked as Considered interoperable****
>
>    1. 3.2.7.3 Strong Native Semantics****
>    2. 3.2.7.4 Implicit ARIA Semantics****
>
> When at least some of the implementation requirements in the sections are
> either not interoperably implemented or require verification****
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html****
>
>
> ****
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF****
>
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>****
>
>  ****
>
> On 14 June 2013 02:56, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:****
>
> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to approve the parts of the following
> document that indicate which parts of the HTML5 specification can be
> considered interoperable as per the permissive CR exit criteria [1].  The
> items subject to this CfC are marked "Considered interoperable" and color
> coded in green in the document:****
>
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html****
>
>  ****
>
> Silence will be taken to mean there is no objection, but positive
> responses are encouraged.   Objections should be made to specific entries
> in the document.  Objections of the form "features in 2.8.2.1
> HTMLAllCollection are not currently interoperable" MUST be accompanied with
> specific evidence of non-interoperability, otherwise such objections will
> not be accepted by the Chairs.****
>
>  ****
>
> If there are no objections by Monday July 15, this resolution will carry.
> ** **
>
>  ****
>
> /paulc****
>
> HTML WG co-chair****
>
>  ****
>
> [1]
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/public-permissive-exit-criteria.html
> ** **
>
>  ****
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada****
>
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3****
>
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> ** **
>
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