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Re: MAUR (Yet Again)

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:27:38 -0500
Message-ID: <CAOk_reG3=BzcajBub9ksF0krkax_9sD-GWOataySD-ipW2JLUQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
I am open to that change.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:

> Hi, Shane:
>
> RE Josh's "Open Description" comment resolution ...
>
> I think we have it right in the comment processing wiki:
>
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing_2#Comment_27_on_DV5_and_DV6
>
>
> And, I note that our commenter, Josh Miele, has accepted our disposition
> of his comments:
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2015OctDec/0008.html
>
> However, in the current MAUR draft I see our DV requirements introduced
> as: "Systems supporting described video that are not open descriptions
> must: ..."
>
> I think this is wrong. We should not name any particular
> standard/specification, but rather describe the behavior or situation
> that qualifies any exception. That would also bring us more closely into
> conformance with our own proposed disposition which Josh accepted.
>
> So, I would suggest something like:
>
> "Systems supporting described video where the descriptions are available
> as independent file or channel resources must ..."
>
> Thoughts, Anyone?
>
> Janina
>
>
> Shane McCarron writes:
> > Looks good. I have made these changes to the main document and to the
> > comment resolution document.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Adding John as CC, and also the list, as I'm suggesting one more tweak
> > > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Shane McCarron writes:
> > > > Okay - the document is updated.  There is a note at the end of
> Comment 27
> > > > that you should check.  It has the string "janina" in it.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm, I think you're correct that we want to keep these reqs for
> > > independent volume control.
> > >
> > >
> > > But, we may want to tweak our language a bit ...
> > >
> > > For DV-5 and DV-6 let's add the phrase"... where these are available as
> > > separate audio channel resources."
> > >
> > > The idea is to provide a loophole for baked-in levels, which I think is
> > > Josh's problem with Open Description.
> > >
> > > 2.)     We need to clean up the sentence referring to CA-3. Suggest:
> > >
> > > "The group notes there are additional, similar requirements for audio
> > > volume in CA-3. We further note that separate volume adjustment is not
> > > always possible. However, where it is possible, it is a user
> requirement
> > > to be able to independently adjust these volumes, as well as to
> > > independently direct the audio to different playback devices."
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Shane!
> > > > >
> > > > > Shane McCarron writes:
> > > > > > FYI the git log shows this about the Josh comments.  I will push
> this
> > > > > > information into the comment resolution document now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>     Integrated changes based upon Josh's comments
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>     Removed proscriptive sentences from Section 3.1 intro.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Removed requirement DV-12 (and renumbered subsequent ones).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     In DV-4 changed real human speech to high quality speech.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     In new DV-12, makde it clear that we are talking about all
> > > tracks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     In DV-2 clarified that timing should be from the primary
> media
> > > > > > >> resource.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Shane McCarron <
> shane@aptest.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's the right page.  I will update the ToC.  As to the other
> > > > > comments....
> > > > > > > uggh.  I don't know / remember.  I will look around.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Janina Sajka <
> janina@rednote.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hi, Shane:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I started working on finishing up the MAUR again the other day
> > > and ran
> > > > > > >> into a couple snags with our comment tracking wiki. Hope you
> can
> > > help.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The page I'm looking at is:
> > > > > > >> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing_2
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Is this the one I should be using?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 1.)     It's very helpful the way you have the TOC naming the
> > > source
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >> each comment, but that reference is missing for comments
> 15-24. I
> > > > > > >> believe these are all Nigel Megitt from the BBC? Can we add
> his
> > > name
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >> the TOC?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 2.)     I'm not seeing any of the comments from Josh Mielle of
> > > > > > >> Smith-Kettlewell Institute. I know we processed his, so I'm
> > > wondering
> > > > > > >> why I'm not seeing them. This is what's making me think I may
> be
> > > > > looking
> > > > > > >> at an old page.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks, Shane!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Janina
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > > > > > >>                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > > > > > >>                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > > > >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> http://a11y.org
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility
> Initiative
> > > > > (WAI)
> > > > > > >> Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Shane McCarron
> > > > > > > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Shane McCarron
> > > > > > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > > > >                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > > > >                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> > > > >
> > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
> (WAI)
> > > > > Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Shane McCarron
> > > > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > >                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > >                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
> > >
> > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> > >
> > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shane McCarron
> > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
>
>
>


-- 
Shane McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
Received on Tuesday, 6 October 2015 14:28:06 UTC

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