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Re: MAUR (Yet Again)

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:46:42 -0400
To: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Cc: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20151006004642.GK1756@opera.rednote.net>
Hi, Shane:

RE Josh's "Open Description" comment resolution ...

I think we have it right in the comment processing wiki:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing_2#Comment_27_on_DV5_and_DV6


And, I note that our commenter, Josh Miele, has accepted our disposition
of his comments:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2015OctDec/0008.html

However, in the current MAUR draft I see our DV requirements introduced
as: "Systems supporting described video that are not open descriptions
must: ..."

I think this is wrong. We should not name any particular
standard/specification, but rather describe the behavior or situation
that qualifies any exception. That would also bring us more closely into
conformance with our own proposed disposition which Josh accepted.

So, I would suggest something like:

"Systems supporting described video where the descriptions are available
as independent file or channel resources must ..."

Thoughts, Anyone?

Janina


Shane McCarron writes:
> Looks good. I have made these changes to the main document and to the
> comment resolution document.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> 
> > Adding John as CC, and also the list, as I'm suggesting one more tweak
> > ...
> >
> >
> > Shane McCarron writes:
> > > Okay - the document is updated.  There is a note at the end of Comment 27
> > > that you should check.  It has the string "janina" in it.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmmm, I think you're correct that we want to keep these reqs for
> > independent volume control.
> >
> >
> > But, we may want to tweak our language a bit ...
> >
> > For DV-5 and DV-6 let's add the phrase"... where these are available as
> > separate audio channel resources."
> >
> > The idea is to provide a loophole for baked-in levels, which I think is
> > Josh's problem with Open Description.
> >
> > 2.)     We need to clean up the sentence referring to CA-3. Suggest:
> >
> > "The group notes there are additional, similar requirements for audio
> > volume in CA-3. We further note that separate volume adjustment is not
> > always possible. However, where it is possible, it is a user requirement
> > to be able to independently adjust these volumes, as well as to
> > independently direct the audio to different playback devices."
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks, Shane!
> > > >
> > > > Shane McCarron writes:
> > > > > FYI the git log shows this about the Josh comments.  I will push this
> > > > > information into the comment resolution document now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >>     Integrated changes based upon Josh's comments
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>     Removed proscriptive sentences from Section 3.1 intro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Removed requirement DV-12 (and renumbered subsequent ones).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     In DV-4 changed real human speech to high quality speech.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     In new DV-12, makde it clear that we are talking about all
> > tracks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     In DV-2 clarified that timing should be from the primary media
> > > > > >> resource.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's the right page.  I will update the ToC.  As to the other
> > > > comments....
> > > > > > uggh.  I don't know / remember.  I will look around.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hi, Shane:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I started working on finishing up the MAUR again the other day
> > and ran
> > > > > >> into a couple snags with our comment tracking wiki. Hope you can
> > help.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The page I'm looking at is:
> > > > > >> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing_2
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Is this the one I should be using?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 1.)     It's very helpful the way you have the TOC naming the
> > source
> > > > of
> > > > > >> each comment, but that reference is missing for comments 15-24. I
> > > > > >> believe these are all Nigel Megitt from the BBC? Can we add his
> > name
> > > > in
> > > > > >> the TOC?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2.)     I'm not seeing any of the comments from Josh Mielle of
> > > > > >> Smith-Kettlewell Institute. I know we processed his, so I'm
> > wondering
> > > > > >> why I'm not seeing them. This is what's making me think I may be
> > > > looking
> > > > > >> at an old page.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks, Shane!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Janina
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > > > > >>                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > > > > >>                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > > >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
> > > > (WAI)
> > > > > >> Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Shane McCarron
> > > > > > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Shane McCarron
> > > > > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > > >                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > > >                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
> > > >
> > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> > > >
> > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > > Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shane McCarron
> > > Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> >                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> >                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> >
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Shane McCarron
> Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.

-- 

Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair,	Protocols & Formats	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
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