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RE: ACTION-228 - Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes [on Steve Faulkner - due 2014-02-06]

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:01:20 +0000
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Robin Berjon <robin@w3.org>
CC: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, "Charles McCathie Nevile (chaals@yandex-team.ru)" <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)" <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Message-ID: <9937531b304f4ca08309b86caf60dd52@BL2PR03MB418.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Thanks for the update, Steve.

I believe with this information the A11Y TF can now decide if they are willing to declare the work on the Alt Guidance specification [1] to be done and if they agree that there is no need to do further work on the Working Draft.  If the TF agrees then I recommend that the TF ask the WG to discontinue work on the WD by publishing the content as a WG Note with an appropriate SOTD to indicate how the problems identified in the original WD were dealt with.

I believe that completion of this work and its integration of the changes into HTML 5.0 will result in the successful execution of the following item from 'plan 2014' [2]:

Responsibility for the HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/> document will remain in the HTML WG. The A11y TF and the editor of the alt-techniques document are encouraged to work directly with the editors of the HTML5 document to reduce identified differences<http://www.davidmacd.com/WCAG/WAI/buggy.html>, filing new bug reports as appropriate. We will revisit the responsibility of the document after the differences have been resolved to the extent possible.

/paulc

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html-alt-techniques/
[2] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/html5-2014-plan.html#other-changes

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329

From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:20 PM
To: Paul Cotton; Robin Berjon
Cc: Janina Sajka; Charles McCathie Nevile (chaals@yandex-team.ru); public-html-a11y@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)
Subject: Re: ACTION-228 - Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes [on Steve Faulkner - due 2014-02-06]


There is only ONE CR bug resolved fixed that needs to be ported back: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23059

related commits:
https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/5a8abca8892b7150faeb6b627303446b248f14e1
https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/19d6ee4251dd09bf1318bc7feced23d6a23ba5fe
https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/3167ea4c58a55715b12ba1440d70e9b02033fa60

there is one editorial issue that does not have a bug - awaiting taskforce to file, provide info.

list of bugs that have were thought to be in 5.1 only but have been ported back to CR


a)      Bug 9215<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9215> - Provide a Webcam example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives"
in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#webcam-images

b)      Bug 9216<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9216> - Provide a CAPTCHA example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives"

in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#captcha-images

c)      Bug 22161<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22161> - paragraph contains inaccuracies

in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#general-guidelines
d)     Bug 22375<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22375> - Images of text where there is also an image
in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#a-group-of-images-that-form-a-single-larger-picture-with-no-links

e)      Bug 22438<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22438> - Alt text for an image to a home page of a web site

in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#a-link-or-button-containing-nothing-but-an-image

f)       Bug 22774<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22774> - 4.8.1.1.3 Image alts and explanations

in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#alt
g)      Bug 20404<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20404> - more non conforming uses of title attribute in example code

in 5.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#when-a-text-alternative-is-not-available-at-the-time-of-publication
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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>

On 26 March 2014 14:56, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote:

>From the 13 March TF minutes:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Mar/0055.html

> Alt Guidance & Next Steps

>   JS: Steve will be giving us an update at CSUN. HTML chairs are expecting it.



Can we please get a written report on where we stand on the status with the Alt Guidance work and discuss the status of this work on the A11Y TF teleconference this week?


/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>

From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:28 PM
To: Steve Faulkner
Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org<mailto:public-html-a11y@w3.org>; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net<mailto:rubys@intertwingly.net>)
Subject: RE: ACTION-228 - Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes [on Steve Faulkner - due 2014-02-06]

The Chairs are encouraging the HTML5 editors to close out all outstanding CR bugs by March 15.

As per our discussion today on the A11Y TF teleconference today could you give us an update on your work on the "Open" and "FIXED in HTML 5.1" bugs listed below?  In particular the Chairs are interested in knowing when all the work on the alt guidance changes will be completed in HTML 5.0?

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>

From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:35 PM
To: Steve Faulkner
Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org<mailto:public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Subject: RE: ACTION-228 - Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes [on Steve Faulkner - due 2014-02-06]

If this is the entire list then we are very close to being able to finish the work on moving the content of the "alt techniques" WD [1] to HTML 5.

I have split this bug list into those bugs that are a) Open, b) FIXED in HTML 5.1 and c) FIXED in HTML 5.0.

Steve: Can you check the "Fixed in HTML 5.1" category to ensure that I have these items correct?  For this list I believe we need to decide which of these items need to be moved to HTML 5.0.

Open

a)      18450<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18450> Consider adding a screen capture example


FIXED in HTML 5.1


a)      Bug 9215<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9215> - Provide a Webcam example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives"

b)      Bug 9216<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9216> - Provide a CAPTCHA example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives"

c)      Bug 22161<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22161> - paragraph contains inaccuracies

d)     Bug 22375<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22375> - Images of text where there is also an image

e)      Bug 22438<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22438> - Alt text for an image to a home page of a web site

f)       Bug 22774<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22774> - 4.8.1.1.3 Image alts and explanations

g)      Bug 20404<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20404> - more non conforming uses of title attribute in example code

FIXED in HTML 5.0


a)      8827<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8827> Inappropriate spec text and advice where images are not known

b)      Bug 10708<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10708> - change normative alt text authoring requirements to informative advice

c)      Bug 13428<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13428> - Remove 4.8.1.1 Requirements for providing text to act as an alternative for images

d)     Bug 13728<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13728> - on guidance for conformance checkers about text alternatives

e)      20401<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20401> non conforming use of title attribute in example code

f)       20402<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20402> use of title attribute in example is incorrect

g)      20403<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20403> spec states plural conditions when only 1 condition is conforming

h)      20405<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20405> plural 'conditions' used when only one condition exists

i)        Bug 21420<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21420> - note about conforming image is incorrect

j)        Bug 21941<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21941> - Spaghetti Monster reference is provocative

k)      Bug 22773<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22773> - Captions in image alt attributes

l)        Bug 22791<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22791> - Alt text for charts, graphs etc should (when sensible) state what the graphic is

m)    Bug 23397<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23397> - Expand advice regarding the use of images for gaiji, novel currency symbols, and the like

n)      Bug 24001<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24001> - alt text example in wrong place

/paulc



[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html-alt-techniques/
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>

From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:48 AM
To: Paul Cotton
Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org<mailto:public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Subject: Re: ACTION-228 - Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes [on Steve Faulkner - due 2014-02-06]

Here is the list of alt related bugs ( in no particular order)
18450<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18450> Consider adding a screen capture example

20402<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20402> use of title attribute in example is incorrect
20403<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20403> spec states plural conditions when only 1 condition is conforming
20405<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20405> plural 'conditions' used when only one condition exists
20401<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20401> non conforming use of title attribute in example code
8827<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8827> Inappropriate spec text and advice where images are not known
Bug 10708<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10708> - change normative alt text authoring requirements to informative advice
Bug 13428<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13428> - Remove 4.8.1.1 Requirements for providing text to act as an alternative for images
Bug 20404<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20404> - more non conforming uses of title attribute in example code
Bug 21420<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21420> - note about conforming image is incorrect
Bug 9215<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9215> - Provide a Webcam example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives"
Bug 9216<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9216> - Provide a CAPTCHA example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives"
Bug 13728<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13728> - on guidance for conformance checkers about text alternatives
Bug 21941<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21941> - Spaghetti Monster reference is provocative
Bug 22161<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22161> - paragraph contains inaccuracies
Bug 22375<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22375> - Images of text where there is also an image
Bug 22438<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22438> - Alt text for an image to a home page of a web site
Bug 22773<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22773> - Captions in image alt attributes
Bug 22774<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22774> - 4.8.1.1.3 Image alts and explanations
Bug 22791<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22791> - Alt text for charts, graphs etc should (when sensible) state what the graphic is
Bug 23397<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23397> - Expand advice regarding the use of images for gaiji, novel currency symbols, and the like
Bug 24001<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24001> - alt text example in wrong place

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>

On 12 February 2014 16:07, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/228

This item was not discussed at the Feb 6 A11Y TF meeting.  Can you give an update?

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>
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