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Re: 48-Hour Consensus Call: InstateLongdesc CP Update

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:28:21 +1000
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2kjVWLy_r0+9A0DU=xFfTyd56f4kFkBfj7U4T-_6=hY3Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>, Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>, Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Thanks for doing this, btw. I think being informed by real-world data
is important.
Silvia.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Steve Faulkner
<faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note: the sampling was not random it was an intentional sampling of the top 10,000 web site home pages.
>
> There is some leakage of internal pages from such web sites.
>
> I am not and have not claimed any level of appropriateness of the sampling I have just made some new data available
>
> As I said draw your own conclusions
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19 Sep 2012, at 11:11, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joshue O Connor
>> <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie> wrote:
>>>> I did not have time too look through it, but those I looked at either
>>>> contained only a "#" or they contained (another) image file. With
>>>> regard to the first (#) then I agree "misinformed" about the potential
>>>> negative effect. With regard to image URLs inside @longdesc, then there
>>>> are image light box solutions - libraries - that  more or less
>>>> consciously makes incorrect use of longdesc. (Today they would perhaps
>>>> picked at @data-foo attribute instead - but that was not 'valid' then.)
>>>> Of the few I scanned, no one contained text.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, maybe it is the former Silvia. Thanks for doing that Leif. It does
>>> therefore sound like an inappropriate sample population or at least
>>> partially so.
>>
>> How does the reason why longdesc was misused make it in an
>> inappropriate sample population for client software developers trying
>> to make a decision about whether to expose longdesc via UI to their
>> users?
>>
>> (My problem with these approaches to sampling is that randomly
>> sampling the web corpus doesn't match the pattern of usage by typical
>> users, it just tells you about long tail effects, so the relationship
>> with user impact is unclear.)
>>
>> --
>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
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