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Re: Apology (was RE: [Bug 18744] drop WAI-ARIA scope restriction in the text adopted in ISSUE-204)

From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:47:30 -0700
Cc: bugzilla@jessica.w3.org, public-html@w3.org, 'HTML Accessibility Task Force' <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-id: <A461F8D4-8CD6-403B-BB70-EA2A47C94D2A@apple.com>
To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>

Thanks, John. Apology accepted.

 - Maciej

On Sep 10, 2012, at 10:49 AM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote:

> It appears that I missed a response from Maciej to an earlier email, and accused him of not responding.
> 
> I was wrong, and publicly apologize for that. 
> 
> I will respond to the substance of his email elsewhere.
> 
> JF
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bugzilla@jessica.w3.org [mailto:bugzilla@jessica.w3.org]
>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:49 AM
>> To: john@foliot.ca
>> Subject: [Bug 18744] drop WAI-ARIA scope restriction in the text
>> adopted in ISSUE-204
>> 
>> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744
>> 
>> --- Comment #23 from Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> 2012-09-10
>> 16:48:36 UTC ---
>> (In reply to comment #22)
>>> 
>>> In an earlier series of emails, I attempted to press Maciej to better
>> explain
>>> how a sighted user, using a screen reading technology would be able
>> to see this
>>> hidden content that was being read aloud.  Ultimately, he punted,
>> wanting to
>>> have a telephone conversation with me (I accepted the offer, but my
>> phone sits
>>> silent) - the only other response I got was that with VoiceOver
>> activated, then
>>> the sighted user would also see the hidden content via what I
>> understand to be
>>> some form of modal overlay.
>> 
>> John, I think that is dishonest bordering on slanderous. Here is the
>> email
>> where I offered a phone conversation if there were further repetitions
>> of the
>> same questions:
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
>> a11y/2012Aug/0169.html>
>> 
>> Here's the email where you noted that, and said that you preferred to
>> have
>> further public discussion, this is your last email in our exchange:
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
>> a11y/2012Aug/0185.html>
>> 
>> Here is the email where I answered your new round of questions:
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
>> a11y/2012Aug/0186.html>
>> 
>> You *never replied* to this final email, at which point I reasonably
>> assumed
>> the point was sufficiently explained. To claim I "punted" is not a fair
>> characterization of the record. Rather, you stopped participating after
>> I
>> answered your last round of questions.
>> 
>> Incidentally, the email you never replied to explains pretty clearly
>> some
>> possible answers to your question, namely how a hidden description
>> could be
>> presented to a sighted or partially sighted user. I believe the latest
>> proposed
>> text in comment #9 also addresses your seeming concern that such text
>> might be
>> presented to a user who did not explicitly access a description:
>> <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744#c9>. That new
>> text also
>> avoids using aria-describedby as an example and explicitly defers to
>> ARIA on
>> that.
>> 
>> I'm still happy to provide further explanation by phone.
>> 
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