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Apology (was RE: [Bug 18744] drop WAI-ARIA scope restriction in the text adopted in ISSUE-204)

From: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:49:10 -0700
To: <bugzilla@jessica.w3.org>
Cc: <public-html@w3.org>, "'HTML Accessibility Task Force'" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <006c01cd8f7c$97a0b1e0$c6e215a0$@ca>
It appears that I missed a response from Maciej to an earlier email, and accused him of not responding.

I was wrong, and publicly apologize for that. 

I will respond to the substance of his email elsewhere.

JF


> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:49 AM
> To: john@foliot.ca
> Subject: [Bug 18744] drop WAI-ARIA scope restriction in the text
> adopted in ISSUE-204
> 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744
> 
> --- Comment #23 from Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> 2012-09-10
> 16:48:36 UTC ---
> (In reply to comment #22)
> >
> > In an earlier series of emails, I attempted to press Maciej to better
> explain
> > how a sighted user, using a screen reading technology would be able
> to see this
> > hidden content that was being read aloud.  Ultimately, he punted,
> wanting to
> > have a telephone conversation with me (I accepted the offer, but my
> phone sits
> > silent) - the only other response I got was that with VoiceOver
> activated, then
> > the sighted user would also see the hidden content via what I
> understand to be
> > some form of modal overlay.
> 
> John, I think that is dishonest bordering on slanderous. Here is the
> email
> where I offered a phone conversation if there were further repetitions
> of the
> same questions:
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
> a11y/2012Aug/0169.html>
> 
> Here's the email where you noted that, and said that you preferred to
> have
> further public discussion, this is your last email in our exchange:
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
> a11y/2012Aug/0185.html>
> 
> Here is the email where I answered your new round of questions:
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
> a11y/2012Aug/0186.html>
> 
> You *never replied* to this final email, at which point I reasonably
> assumed
> the point was sufficiently explained. To claim I "punted" is not a fair
> characterization of the record. Rather, you stopped participating after
> I
> answered your last round of questions.
> 
> Incidentally, the email you never replied to explains pretty clearly
> some
> possible answers to your question, namely how a hidden description
> could be
> presented to a sighted or partially sighted user. I believe the latest
> proposed
> text in comment #9 also addresses your seeming concern that such text
> might be
> presented to a user who did not explicitly access a description:
> <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744#c9>. That new
> text also
> avoids using aria-describedby as an example and explicitly defers to
> ARIA on
> that.
> 
> I'm still happy to provide further explanation by phone.
> 
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