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Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:06:45 -0600
Message-ID: <AANLkTimM=g31WgviTe4Uc3WHrHDyb=pW+DfeESmVDyfW@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Cc: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>, "Michael Cooper (cooper@w3.org)" <cooper@w3.org>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Hi Paul and everyone,

> Does the A11Y TF have a preference between the following two change
> proposals:
>
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/purely_decorative_images
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/TextAlternativesIssue122
>
> or do you simply want both proposals dealt with by the WG?

Maciej has said that my proposal for HTML-ISSUE-122 [1] is larger in
scope than that of the 122 issue.

So instead, I have requested that the HTML Chairs apply my issue 122
proposal to the third question [2] of alt HTML-ISSUE-31, as it would
be a better fit; is an applicable and relevant solution; and is based
on the third draft deliverable [3] of HTML-Action-54 [4] which is
bound to alt HTML-ISSUE-31.

Maciej said that the Chairs will discuss it [5]. (For details please
refer to the previous messages in this thread).

That leaves two proposals for HTML-ISSUE-122. Between Steve's proposal
[6] and Gregory's proposal [7], I would support Steve's as he
addresses both of the bugs [8] [9] that Ian raised. Gregory's proposal
misses half of the issue. Gregory's proposal talks about supplying
text alternatives for purely decorative images but does not address
providing text alternatives for thematic images.

Steve's HTML-ISSUE-122 proposal addresses purely decorative images as
well as images that "enhance the themes or subject matter of the page
content". His solution allows that thematic images may be allowed to
have text alternatives. Hixie wanted to make it nonconforming for
authors to provide text alternatives for these middle level type
images. For more info check out both bugs that Hixie filed and
escalated to issue 122.

Best Regards,
Laura

[1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/TextAlternativesIssue122
[2] That question is:  "Where/who will define requirements on the
possible values of text alternative examples?".
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices#3._Text_Alternative_Examples_Question:_.22Where.2Fwho_will_define_requirements_on_the_possible_values_of_text_alternatives_examples.3F.22
[3] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Action54AltAttributeThirdDraft
[4] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0174.html
[6] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/thematicimages
[7] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/purely_decorative_images
[8] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9081
[9] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9081



On 2/10/11, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> both impying that there are only 2 what about  Change Proposal: Purely
>> Decorative Images (Section
>> 4.8.1.1.7)<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/purely_decorative_images>
>> - by Gregory J. Rosmaita<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Grosmai> ?
>
> Does the A11Y TF have a preference between the following two change
> proposals:
>
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/purely_decorative_images
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/TextAlternativesIssue122
>
> or do you simply want both proposals dealt with by the WG?
>
> /paulc
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>
> From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:18 AM
> To: Maciej Stachowiak
> Cc: HTML WG; Sam Ruby; Paul Cotton
> Subject: Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions
>
> Could i get an answer back from the chairs on the questions below prior to
> the february 14 cuttof date?
>
> regards
> stevef
> On 8 February 2011 10:25, Steve Faulkner
> <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Maciej,
>
> you wrote:
> "The Chairs have reviewed the proposals for ISSUE-122 shalott-example, and
> find them both wanting as written."
> both impying that there are only 2 what about  Change Proposal: Purely
> Decorative Images (Section
> 4.8.1.1.7)<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/purely_decorative_images>
> - by Gregory J. Rosmaita<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Grosmai> ?
>
>
> anyway I have updated my change proposal
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/thematicimages#Details
>
> can you tell me whether the udpate has chnaged the chairs view that it is
> "wanting as written" if not can you please exaplin what is wanting.
>
> regards
> stevef
>
> On 7 February 2011 19:12, Maciej Stachowiak
> <mjs@apple.com<mailto:mjs@apple.com>> wrote:
>
> The Chairs have reviewed the proposals for ISSUE-122 shalott-example, and
> find them both wanting as written. If they are not updated within a week, by
> February 14, 2011, they will be dropped from consideration. If no proposals
> remain, the issue will be closed without prejudice.
>
> * Steve's null Change Proposal does not apply a consistent resolution to all
> WG drafts, as previously mentioned by the chairs:
> <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/thematicimages>.
>
> * Laura's proposal to remove text alternative examples goes considerably
> beyond the scope of the issue, in the judgment of the chairs
> <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/TextAlternativesIssue122>.
> The original scope of the issue was about the details of one particular
> example. This proposal removes all accessibility advice for textual
> equivalents, and in the course of doing so entirely deletes a WG draft. It
> is reasonable to propose this, but not as part of this narrow issue. We
> offer the following options:
>
>   ** Revise the Change Proposal to fit the narrower scope of ISSUE-122 (just
> the one example that was at issue).
>
>   ** File a bug requesting the changes in the proposal, and if necessary
> escalate it. It will then be treated as its own issue.
>
> It's fine to do either or both of these things (or none if there is no
> desire to pursue the issue further).
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
>
> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> |
> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> |
> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/>
> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
>
> www.paciellogroup.com<http://www.paciellogroup.com> |
> www.HTML5accessibility.com<http://www.HTML5accessibility.com> |
> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner<http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>
> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/<http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/>
> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>


-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Received on Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:07:31 GMT

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