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Re: 列: RegOrg ontology

From: Christopher Gutteridge <cjg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:56:18 +0100
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To: kotis@aegean.gr
CC: nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be, "'Marios Meimaris'" <m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr>, h.athanasakis@samos.gr, kotis@samos.gr, public-gld-comments@w3.org, stijn.goedertier@pwc.be, Vassilios.PERISTERAS@ec.europa.eu, '另狍翎筮 箩聃暨祜' <n.varitimou@gmail.com>, public-egov-ig@w3.org, georgev@unipi.gr
Initial feedback. This has turned into more of a brain dump than I expected.

For background, I'm looking getting into our University ticketing system 
(BMC Remedy) using an API and exporting the information as Linked (but 
/not/ open) Data, for integration into other internal systems and also 
augmenting it using links to open data.

If may be that my usecase is different enough that my thoughts are 
unhelpful, in which case feel free to ignore anything!

1. Can you put a mimetype on 
http://www.samos.gr/ontologies/helpdeskOnto.owl so it's easier to load 
into RDF aware tools. It's reporting 'text/plain'

2. Remove needless use of the word 'government'. There's no reason to 
give the impression it won't be of use for any ticket-based helpdesk at 
any organisation. It's not in the semantics, just the ontology description.

3. Tickets often have a thread of discussion and people working on them. 
Possibly SIOC would be useful here?

4. Tickets often have open/close/reopen events.

5. Tickets & tasks frequently have an associated service (email, 
internet access, scanner in building 7)

6. Tickets have events of being assigned to people or teams.

7. Typo on #IT_Support_Ticket rdfs:comment@en : " resollved" should be 
"resolved".

8. I'm always very cautious about inventing new 'title' and 
'description' terms -- the world has enough of these already. I would 
strongly consider treating a ticket as a sioc:Post and just use 
dcterms:title and sioc:content. The more generic terms you use, the more 
your data can work with other tools without anybody having to do mapping 
exercises. The other value of SIOC is that it gives you reply threads 
already well defined.

9. You've made a very dangerous assumption that tasks have numeric 
integer IDs. I would have used skos:notation for this and given the task 
IDs a datatype appropriate for the system eg. <ticket> skos:notation 
"SL39122"^^<http://id.southampton.ac.uk/ns/ServiceLineTicketIDScheme> . 
This way tickets can have non-numeric values, and even, in rare cases, 
have identifiers from multiple schemes. This may happen if a migration 
is done and tickets are moved from one system to another, they would 
potentially have more than one ID, but in different ID schemes.


On 19/04/2013 08:49, Kotis Kostas wrote:
>
> Dear Nick, Mario (and all),
>
> This is a first draft version of the formal vocabulary that we have 
> devised in order to assist the process of opening and integrating our 
> scattered elpdesk datasets. It re-uses classes and properties from 
> ORG, RegOrg, DUL and GoodRelations vocabularies. Example individuals 
> have been created to demonstrate the linkage with existing entities of 
> related datasets (IHU, NTUA) and thus to raise further arguments (if 
> any), however the actual helpdesk support data gathered from the 
> scattered data sources (i.e. tickets, tasks, solutions, etc) are not 
> included. Soon it will be possible to browse data, info and entities 
> of our vocabulary on-line (also we plan to make this emantic asset 
> available at ISA JoinUp semantic space).
>
> We would like to get your feedback at this point, if possible! At the 
> moment this is not a published work but we are working towards doing 
> this very soon, in the context of other research work (Your 
> contribution will be acknowledged properly J).
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Konstantinos
>
> *From:*nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be [mailto:nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:08 PM
> *To:* Kotis Kostas; 'Marios Meimaris'
> *Cc:* h.athanasakis@samos.gr; kotis@samos.gr; 
> public-gld-comments@w3.org; stijn.goedertier@pwc.be; 
> Vassilios.PERISTERAS@ec.europa.eu; 另狍翎筮 箩聃暨祜
> *Subject:* RE: 列: RegOrg ontology
>
> Hi Marios,
>
> I just want to make a clarification.
>
> The IHU browser is actually getting data from the public SPARQL 
> endpoint available at: http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/sparqland not from 
> http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/
> This also explains why Kostas gets different responses when looking up 
> his organisation in IHU and in publicspending.gr both in terms of 
> description metadata and different URIs.
>
> However, as Kostas correctly points out, we have made sure that the 
> legal entities of IHU are linked to the publicspending.gr ones.
>
> We have also created a SKOS taxonomy of company types in Greece which 
> provides values to rov:companyType.
> The taxonomy was created bottom-up by analysing and reconciling data 
> found in the 28000 descriptions of entities used in the pilot 
> application.
> It therefore represents quite accurately the current state of play in 
> Greece.
>
> Effectively, "那滔由 招茄庞闪@gr" is not just a literal. It actually 
> corresponds to the prefLabel of a  skos:Concept.
>
> In case there are additional questions and/or feedback on the pilot 
> (which is always welcome), please contact me and/or Natasa Varitimou 
> (cc'ed), who has been the lead developer.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Nikolaos Loutas*
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>
>
> From: Kotis Kostas <kotis@aegean.gr <mailto:kotis@aegean.gr>>
> To: "'Marios Meimaris'" <m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr 
> <mailto:m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr>>, <public-gld-comments@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-gld-comments@w3.org>>
> Cc: <kotis@samos.gr <mailto:kotis@samos.gr>>, <h.athanasakis@samos.gr 
> <mailto:h.athanasakis@samos.gr>>, <nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be 
> <mailto:nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be>>, <stijn.goedertier@pwc.be 
> <mailto:stijn.goedertier@pwc.be>>
> Date: 18/04/2013 16:20
> Subject: RE: 列: RegOrg ontology
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for that. Actually, I do know that your work is 'feeding' IHU!!!
>
> I still have a problem though. I'd like to describe it with an example
> however: I am searching for the rdf data related to my organization, i.e.
> North Aegean Region Administrative Authority (NARAA) "信焉峙雅闪 孪雅上
> 辽昧上' in Greek, and I get the following 2 responses for both sparql
> services respectively:
>
> 1. http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/describe/paymentAgents/090344143
> (NTUA)
> 2. http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/id/company/090344143(IHU)
>
> As expected, there is a sameAs property relating these entities 
> (defined in
> IHU dataset). But in (1), the entity is described as "那滔由 
> 招茄庞闪" via
> the property psgr:legalStatus, and in (2) the entity is described as "
> 那滔由 招茄庞闪@gr" using the property
> http://www.w3.org/ns/regorg#companyType. In addition, you now introduce a
> new term to characterize organizations in Greece, using the uri
> http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/organizationsOntology#PublicLegalEnti
> ty (label "Public Legal Entity", which I guess it comes from your own 
> custom
> vocabulary (which you say it is a profile of ORG).
>
> The question is, give all these three different ways to describe the 
> type of
> my organization, i.e. a 'Greek public formal legal organization', which
> namespace will be the most appropriate? I feel that re-using REGORG
> namespace is a more appropriate practice, don't you?
>
> Anyways, for me now it is a matter of linking our dataset with one of the
> two datasets (IHU or NTUA), since NARAA entity is already defined in the
> LOGD (twice).
>
> BR,
>
> Kostas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marios Meimaris [mailto:m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:26 PM
> To: public-gld-comments@w3.org <mailto:public-gld-comments@w3.org>; 
> Kotis Kostas
> Subject: Re: 列: RegOrg ontology
>
> Dear Kostas,
>
>     the data from the IHU browser is actually drawn from the sparql
> endpoint at http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/.
> The IHU project uses the string descriptions taken from the greek taxation
> service (TAXIS), but there is no actual standardization or schema involved
> and sometimes the strings have overlapping meanings and even typos.
> In the publicspending.gr project we have actually deployed a small 
> taxonomy
> for greek organizations as a profile of ORG, having in mind future 
> mappings
> to foreign classification schemata.
> You can see the legal entity types here
> http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/en/endpoint, selecting the
> predefined query "Categorization of legal entities" from the example 
> queries
> dropdown.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Marios Meimaris
>
>
> On 18/04/2013 16:16, Kotis Kostas wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > just found an interesting project in Greece, as an ISA pilot use case by
> IHU, where they actually defined a  SKOS concept scheme for Greek Company
> types. There they have also included "Public Service" (那滔由 
> 招茄庞闪@gr)
> under http://www.w3.org/ns/regorg#companyType(for greek public
> organizations).
> >
> > I hope you can access the related resource url:
> >http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flinkeddata.ihu
> > .edu.gr%2Fid%2Fgrtypes%2Fdy otherwise see at
> >*MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from 
> "linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr80" claiming to be* 
> http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr:8080/rdf-browser/
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Konstantinos
> >
> > Konstantinos Kotis, PhD
> > Post Doctoral Research Scientist
> > Department of Digital Systems, University of Piraeus.
> > Head of IT Department
> > Samos Regional Unit, North Aegean Region Admin. Authority.
> >
> > Greece
> > +30 6974822712
> >http://gr.linkedin.com/in/kotis
> > ________________________________________
> > 琉: Chris Beer [chris@codex.net.au]
> > 琉矬麸朕: 藻糗耵, 17 琉耖脒秕 2013 11:32 痨
> > 旭矧: Kotis Kostas
> > 曙轫.:phila@w3.org <mailto:phila@w3.org>; public-gld-comments@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-gld-comments@w3.org>
> > 容灬: Re: RegOrg ontology
> >
> > Hi Kotis
> >
> > Saw this -> randomly jumping in.
> >
> > My first instinct (noting the similarities in our organisations in terms
> of names ;) ) would be to see your example as an ORG unit/entity which has
> the function of Regional Administration.
> >
> > If the RAB's in Greece conduct a commercial activity (as opposed to say
> simply setting policy priorities and administrating grant funding as a
> public sector function) then certainly here they would fit the description
> of a rov:companyType ( we call them a Government Business Enterprise 
> or GBE
> - and we would link back to ORG to a Department of State and associated
> Cabinet Minister  through a PROV change event such as our Financial
> Management Act which governs how the public sector can engage with the
> public commercially).
> >
> > I guess what I am suggesting is to look to already defined PROV and ORG
> entities etc, to see if a logical combination presents itself which would
> alleviate the creation of a bespoke concept?
> >
> > 2 cents worth - feel free to disregard or vehemently argue all. :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> > Chris Beer
> > Manager - Online Services
> > Department of Regional Australia, Local Government, Arts and Sport
> >
> > All views my own unless otherwise stated
> >
> >
> > Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
> >
> > Kotis Kostas <kotis@aegean.gr <mailto:kotis@aegean.gr>> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Phil,
> >>
> >> I am working on an ontology for 'IT helpdesk support ticketing' for
> public sector organizations (eGov) and I am using ORG and RegOrg
> vocabularies for some upper level descriptions of example data. I 
> think that
> rov:companyType property is not suitable for public organizations, or 
> is it?
> Introducing for instance a concept "Regional Administration Body' in order
> to classify an instance such as the public organization 'North Aegean
> Regional Administration' body of Greece, could be possbile?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Konstantinos Kotis, PhD
> >> Post Doctoral Research Scientist
> >> Department of Digital Systems, University of Piraeus.
> >> Head of IT Department
> >> Samos Regional Unit, North Aegean Region Admin. Authority.
> >>
> >> Greece
> >> +30 6974822712
> >>http://gr.linkedin.com/in/kotis
>
>
>
>
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