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RE: 列: RegOrg ontology

From: Kotis Kostas <kotis@aegean.gr>
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:49:40 +0300
To: <nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be>, 'Marios Meimaris' <m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr>
CC: <h.athanasakis@samos.gr>, <kotis@samos.gr>, <public-gld-comments@w3.org>, <stijn.goedertier@pwc.be>, <Vassilios.PERISTERAS@ec.europa.eu>, '另狍翎筮 箩聃暨祜' <n.varitimou@gmail.com>, <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, <georgev@unipi.gr>, 'Christopher Gutteridge' <cjg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <001101ce3cd2$73a5af80$5af10e80$@gr>
Dear Nick, Mario (and all),


This is a first draft version of the formal vocabulary that we have devised
in order to assist the process of opening and integrating our scattered
'helpdesk' datasets. It re-uses classes and properties from ORG, RegOrg, DUL
and GoodRelations vocabularies. Example individuals have been created to
demonstrate the linkage with existing entities of related datasets (IHU,
NTUA) and thus to raise further arguments (if any), however the actual
helpdesk support data gathered from the scattered data sources (i.e.
tickets, tasks, solutions, etc) are not included. Soon it will be possible
to browse data, info and entities of our vocabulary on-line (also we plan to
make this 'semantic asset' available at ISA JoinUp semantic space).


We would like to get your feedback at this point, if possible! At the moment
this is not a published work but we are working towards doing this very
soon, in the context of other research work (Your contribution will be
acknowledged properly J).


Thanks in advance,





From: nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be [mailto:nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:08 PM
To: Kotis Kostas; 'Marios Meimaris'
Cc: h.athanasakis@samos.gr; kotis@samos.gr; public-gld-comments@w3.org;
stijn.goedertier@pwc.be; Vassilios.PERISTERAS@ec.europa.eu; 另狍翎筮
Subject: RE: 列: RegOrg ontology


Hi Marios, 

I just want to make a clarification.   

The IHU browser is actually getting data from the public SPARQL endpoint
available at:  <http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/sparql>
http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/sparql and not from
This also explains why Kostas gets different responses when looking up his
organisation in IHU and in publicspending.gr both in terms of description
metadata and different URIs. 

However, as Kostas correctly points out, we have made sure that the legal
entities of IHU are linked to the publicspending.gr ones. 

We have also created a SKOS taxonomy of company types in Greece which
provides values to rov:companyType. 
The taxonomy was created bottom-up by analysing and reconciling data found
in the 28000 descriptions of entities used in the pilot application. 
It therefore represents quite accurately the current state of play in

Effectively, "那滔由 招茄庞闪@gr" is not just a literal. It actually
corresponds to the prefLabel of a  skos:Concept. 
In case there are additional questions and/or feedback on the pilot (which
is always welcome), please contact me and/or Natasa Varitimou (cc'ed), who
has been the lead developer. 

Kind regards, 

Nikolaos Loutas
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From:        Kotis Kostas <kotis@aegean.gr> 
To:        "'Marios Meimaris'" <m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr>,
Cc:        <kotis@samos.gr>, <h.athanasakis@samos.gr>,
<nikolaos.loutas@pwc.be>, <stijn.goedertier@pwc.be> 
Date:        18/04/2013 16:20 
Subject:        RE: 列: RegOrg ontology 


Thanks for that. Actually, I do know that your work is 'feeding' IHU!!!

I still have a problem though. I'd like to describe it with an example
however: I am searching for the rdf data related to my organization, i.e.
North Aegean Region Administrative Authority (NARAA) "信焉峙雅闪 孪雅上
辽昧上' in Greek, and I get the following 2 responses for both sparql
services respectively:

2.  <http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/id/company/090344143>
http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/id/company/090344143 (IHU)

As expected, there is a sameAs property relating these entities (defined in
IHU dataset). But in (1), the entity is described as "那滔由 招茄庞闪" via
the property psgr:legalStatus, and in (2) the entity is described as "
那滔由 招茄庞闪@gr" using the property
http://www.w3.org/ns/regorg#companyType. In addition, you now introduce a
new term to characterize organizations in Greece, using the uri
ty (label "Public Legal Entity", which I guess it comes from your own custom
vocabulary (which you say it is a profile of ORG). 

The question is, give all these three different ways to describe the type of
my organization, i.e. a 'Greek public formal legal organization', which
namespace will be the most appropriate? I feel that re-using REGORG
namespace is a more appropriate practice, don't you?

Anyways, for me now it is a matter of linking our dataset with one of the
two datasets (IHU or NTUA), since NARAA entity is already defined in the
LOGD (twice).



-----Original Message-----
From: Marios Meimaris [ <mailto:m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:26 PM
To: public-gld-comments@w3.org; Kotis Kostas
Subject: Re: 列: RegOrg ontology

Dear Kostas,

    the data from the IHU browser is actually drawn from the sparql
endpoint at  <http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/>
http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/ .
The IHU project uses the string descriptions taken from the greek taxation
service (TAXIS), but there is no actual standardization or schema involved
and sometimes the strings have overlapping meanings and even typos.
In the publicspending.gr project we have actually deployed a small taxonomy
for greek organizations as a profile of ORG, having in mind future mappings
to foreign classification schemata.
You can see the legal entity types here
http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/en/endpoint , selecting the
predefined query "Categorization of legal entities" from the example queries

Kind regards,
Marios Meimaris

On 18/04/2013 16:16, Kotis Kostas wrote:
> Hi again,
> just found an interesting project in Greece, as an ISA pilot use case by
IHU, where they actually defined a  SKOS concept scheme for Greek Company
types. There they have also included "Public Service" (那滔由 招茄庞闪@gr)
under  <http://www.w3.org/ns/regorg#companyType>
http://www.w3.org/ns/regorg#companyType (for greek public
> I hope you can access the related resource url: 
>  <http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flinkeddata.ihu>
> .edu.gr%2Fid%2Fgrtypes%2Fdy otherwise see at 
>  <http://linkeddata.ihu.edu.gr:8080/rdf-browser/>
> BR,
> Konstantinos
> Konstantinos Kotis, PhD
> Post Doctoral Research Scientist
> Department of Digital Systems, University of Piraeus.
> Head of IT Department
> Samos Regional Unit, North Aegean Region Admin. Authority.
> Greece
> +30 6974822712
>  <http://gr.linkedin.com/in/kotis> http://gr.linkedin.com/in/kotis
> ________________________________________
> 琉: Chris Beer [chris@codex.net.au]
> 琉矬麸朕: 藻糗耵, 17 琉耖脒秕 2013 11:32 痨
> 旭矧: Kotis Kostas
> 曙轫.: phila@w3.org; public-gld-comments@w3.org
> 容灬: Re: RegOrg ontology
> Hi Kotis
> Saw this -> randomly jumping in.
> My first instinct (noting the similarities in our organisations in terms
of names ;) ) would be to see your example as an ORG unit/entity which has
the function of Regional Administration.
> If the RAB's in Greece conduct a commercial activity (as opposed to say
simply setting policy priorities and administrating grant funding as a
public sector function) then certainly here they would fit the description
of a rov:companyType ( we call them a Government Business Enterprise or GBE
- and we would link back to ORG to a Department of State and associated
Cabinet Minister  through a PROV change event such as our Financial
Management Act which governs how the public sector can engage with the
public commercially).
> I guess what I am suggesting is to look to already defined PROV and ORG
entities etc, to see if a logical combination presents itself which would
alleviate the creation of a bespoke concept?
> 2 cents worth - feel free to disregard or vehemently argue all. :)
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----------------------
> Chris Beer
> Manager - Online Services
> Department of Regional Australia, Local Government, Arts and Sport
> All views my own unless otherwise stated
> Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
> Kotis Kostas <kotis@aegean.gr> wrote:
>> Dear Phil,
>> I am working on an ontology for 'IT helpdesk support ticketing' for
public sector organizations (eGov) and I am using ORG and RegOrg
vocabularies for some upper level descriptions of example data. I think that
rov:companyType property is not suitable for public organizations, or is it?
Introducing for instance a concept "Regional Administration Body' in order
to classify an instance such as the public organization 'North Aegean
Regional Administration' body of Greece, could be possbile?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Konstantinos Kotis, PhD
>> Post Doctoral Research Scientist
>> Department of Digital Systems, University of Piraeus.
>> Head of IT Department
>> Samos Regional Unit, North Aegean Region Admin. Authority.
>> Greece
>> +30 6974822712
>>  <http://gr.linkedin.com/in/kotis> http://gr.linkedin.com/in/kotis

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