Mark Birbeck, x-port.net
Blake Jones, ViewPlus Technologies
Charlie Wiecha, IBM
Darrell Dykstra, Adobe
David Landwehr, PicoForms
Erik Bruchez, Orbeon
Jan Kratky, IBM
John Boyer, IBM
Joern Turner, DreamLabs
Leigh Klotz, Xerox (minutes)
Lars Opperman, Sun
Rafael Benito, SATEC
Roger Perez, SATEC
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer, DreamLabs
Steven Pemberton, CWI/W3C
TV Raman, Google
John Boyer: Should we switch to IRC
minutes?
Mark Birbeck: No, there's more in
Leigh's minutes.
Steven Pemberton: Is this visibility?
There's no reason to.
TV Raman: Just send the message to the
public list and we're done.
Charlie Wiecha: We have to deal with
minuting member communications.
John Boyer: I have an open question on
this.
Charlie Wiecha: Do we have to go into
a closed session?
TV Raman: Just do the right thing.
Resolution 2007-04-18.1: We continue using the emailed minutes.
Steven Pemberton: I will put the info in a public place after I take the cell phone info out.
Leigh Klotz: I will send the
existing implementation report to Kenneth and David and ask them
for any updates, then republish it as XForms 1.0 Basic
Implementation Report.
John Boyer: Is that OK?
David Landwehr: Yes.
Action 2007-04-18.1: Leigh to send the existing implementation report to Kenneth and David and ask them for any updates, then republish it as XForms 1.0 Basic Implementation Report.
John Boyer: Any news?
David Landwehr: No.
TV Raman: [leaves]
Charlie Wiecha: I am expecting info sent to the public list from Scott McGlashan.
John Boyer: Dave Megginson responded to me and said it sounded like a great idea and he'll be bringing that up with IDEAlliance.
John Boyer: The 45-day grace period
ends on Saturday. Is there anybody who has not yet been able.
Leigh Klotz: I have a meeting on the
25th about rejoining. So it may be a week where I'm out.
John Boyer: Is there a way to extend
it?
Steven Pemberton: I don't think so,
but Mark is an invited expert and that's on the queue.
Mark Birbeck: They said I was
already a member invited expert and couldn't be a public invited
expert.
Steven Pemberton: Public invited
experts have no W3C access. Member invited experts, such as you are
Mark, have member access. So maybe we filled out the wrong
form.
Mark Birbeck: They said I was a public
invited expert in the HTML but couldn't be invited in the XHTML one
because I was an invited expert already.
Steven Pemberton: I'm confused as
well; I'll have to research it. I thought it was just the "invited
expert" form. Can you forward me the reply you got?
Mark Birbeck: Yes.
John Boyer: I've been told that I should join the working group today.
John Boyer: There were some
questions about APP. Are any of those applications under
development going to end up in the hands of the public?
Mark Birbeck: We have one that we will
put in SVN and using eXist. We could also do one for GData and put
it in Googlle's code site.
Leigh Klotz: Our implementation is
commercial, and not open source; we don't have APP yet.
John Boyer: If we could make wiki
pages require login (member only) then that would make it
easier.
Leigh Klotz: Is it possible with
MoinMoin? I see they have SecurityPolicy in moin 1.1 or later. http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SecurityPolicy
Steven Pemberton: It might be that way
already.
Leigh Klotz: It makes up names for
you.
Steven Pemberton: I'll investigate
locking.
Action 2007-04-18.2: Steven Pemberton to investigate locking writes on the public wiki and limiting them to members.
John Boyer: I wonder if someone
like Sebastian would be interested in updating the main group page
look-and-feel, and move some stuff to the wiki.
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: I'd be
happy to do that.
Action 2007-04-18.3: Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer to restyle main group public page look and feel and move stuff to the wiki.
John Boyer: We could update it with
the Wiki
Steven Pemberton: There is an
automatically-generated page; we ought to link to it. I'm
researching a way to include it.
John Boyer: Is the
automatically-generated list a member-only link?
Steven Pemberton: Yes, because it
includes telephone numbers. But that's not our fault. If W3C would
like to provide a public version of that link; John why don't you
send mail to Steve Bratt asking for a public version of it?
John Boyer: Do we have to list
them?
Steven Pemberton: We don't have
to.
John Boyer: People can find the
members from the public drafts. Maybe we should just remove
it.
Steven Pemberton: And have a
member-only link. http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32219
John Boyer: I'll make the
editors-drafts available, including a 1.1 version without the diff
marks.
Action 2007-04-18.4: John Boyer to make editors-drafts available.
Action 2007-04-18.5: John Boyer to XForms 1.1 version without diffmarks for processing post-LC comments.
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34637/xformsftf200706/
John Boyer: We have produced 94 pages of errata that show we are maintaining our specification. Lower down in the document, there are some key issues.
John Boyer: Do we need to send this
in as a last-call comment or do we just handle it in the LC
bucket?
Steven Pemberton: We can handle it as
we like.
Action 2007-04-18.6: John Boyer to handle QName-but-not-NCName http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2003Aug/0002.html
Leigh Klotz: He says "css3-ui,
which defines ::repeat-item does relax that restriction" and
presumably he means "does not". Isn't this a CSS3 problem?
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: CSS3-UI is
in CR
Mark Birbeck: There was some
discussion with Tantek about this.
Action 2007-04-18.7: Leigh Klotz and Mark Birbeck to handleAppendix F.3 example http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2003Aug/0003.html
Leigh Klotz: This looks like a 1.2
requirement.
Mark Birbeck: We should respond though
showing we've done work on authentication already.
Leigh Klotz: We had this in XForms 1.0
Requirements ("cgi-based") a long time ago and removed it. I think
it is in the IETF documents as well.
Mark Birbeck: If you just set the
header we have it; you can ask the username and password.
Leigh Klotz: That's the problem of
mixing levels; the browser should know the password but the form
author shouldn't be able to get it. We didn't make a way for
telling the browser to get it.
Lars Opperman: On the other hand, he
is mixing authentication and application state.
Mark Birbeck: I mean that Leigh's
point is reasonable; people don't like the popup. You can capture
the password and base64 encode it.
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: I think we
should get Bjoern involved and make this a public discussion.
Mark Birbeck: That's a good
idea.
John Boyer: Do we need support for
file: URLs that write to domain-specific areas of the drive on
behalf of the user?
Mark Birbeck: No.
John Boyer: Then how does this work
across forms?
Leigh Klotz: It needs to bind, like
upload, to some internal state that you write but can't read.
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: I agree.
Let's ask him to join the discussion.
John Boyer: Let's add this to the
futures wiki then.
Action 2007-04-18.8: Leigh Klotz to add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2004Jan/0004.html to the futures wiki and respond to Bjoern Hoehrrmann.