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Re: XHTML 2.0 and Semantics

From: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:40:21 -0700 (MST)
To: ed nixon <ed.nixon@lynnparkplace.org>
cc: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>, <public-evangelist@w3.org>, <f8dy@diveintomark.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0301131524260.48527-100000@measurement-factory.com>

I would like to thank Karl for posting [a link to] Mark Pilgrim's
thoughts on this list. While I am not particularly excited about Mark's
choice of words, I think he voices important concerns shared by many

Indeed, W3C is having a hard time delivering on its promise of a
"future proof" markup, especially given the amount of new "things"
being introduced into the problem domain. Does the gap between W3C and
reality grow with every new draft? If yes, what can W3C evangelists do
about it? These are important questions worth discussing on this list
and elsewhere.

Thank you,


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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, ed nixon wrote:

> Mr. Dubost, Why would you post this profanity riddled piece of
> self-indulgence to a public mailing list?
> Irrespective of the (microscopic)logic of the "argument", Mr.
> Pilgrim's post is self-indulgent and immature; it should not be
> spread any wider than Mr. Pilgrim's already apparently substantial
> following. If people want to subscribe, perhaps out of amusement, to
> watch his lack of self-control and verbal tantrums that's one thing.
> To have someone, particularly a person representing the W3C actually
> post references to Mr. Pilgrims emotional screed and further spread
> the noise is inappropriate in the extreme.
>                ...edN
> Karl Dubost wrote:
> >
> > I think that some people will talk about it here.
> >
> > So I think you have already read this entry of Mark Pilgrim.
> > http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/01/13.html#semantic_obsolescence
> >
> > about http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xhtml2-20021211/
> > and http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xhtml2-20021211/mod-text.html#s_textmodule
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