- From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 08:50:00 +0100
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Thanks Fritz, I think we agree that accreditation goes beyond recognition. Can I check whether you agree or disagree with Stuart's statements that: 1. accreditation is a kind of recognition [a higher form, if you like] 2. accreditedBy could in future be a subproperty of recognizedBy Thanks, Phil On 10/04/18 17:58, Fritz Ray wrote: > I would posit that recognition is a different type of action than > accreditation. Recognition asserts that this organization consumes the > specified credential, whereas accreditation projects an organization's > authority onto the credential, saying not only do they recognize it, > but that if you recognize the organization's authority, your > organization should too recognize it. > > I think the observation that Recognition is a subproperty of > Accreditation is accurate, but the action of accreditation, I believe, > is distinct (and superior). > > As an example from: > http://www.apa.org/ed/accreditation/first-street-accord.aspx > > /In 2012, the Canadian Psychological Association (CPA) and American > Psychological Association (APA) through its Commission on > Accreditation (CoA) approved and signed the First Street Accord. *The > accord is a mutual recognition agreement on accreditation.* It > demonstrates that the APA CoA views the accreditation standards and > principles of the CPA as equivalent to the Commission on > Accreditation's guidelines and principles. Similarly, the CPA views > the accreditation guidelines and principles of the Commission on > Accreditation as equivalent to the accreditation standards and > principles of the CPA. This mutual recognition agreement applies only > to the accreditation activities each association undertakes in its own > country. *It is an agreement that recognizes the equivalence of the > systems of accreditation of the CPA and APA and does not confer any > reciprocal accreditation status on any of the programs they accredit.*/ > /* > */ > I have trouble parsing the above, but what I believe they state is > that they recognize the equivalence of their practices (and may > therefore largely recognize each others awarded credentials) but do > not cross-accredit the credentials. > > Recognition is also a big deal in international degree transfer, but > I'm not versed very well on the specific mechanics of that area. > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:05 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk > <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > On 10/04/18 13:59, Stuart Sutton wrote: >> Phil, given that accreditation is a kind of recognition, there >> would be nothing wrong definitionally in using only recognizedBy >> to encompass both; however, for many, the currency (labor market >> value) of a credential with accreditation is higher than with >> simple recognition. Perhaps propose recognizedBy as a property of >> EducationalOccupationalCredential now while holding open the >> possibility of later declaring accreditedBy as a subproperty of it. > Yes, that seems right to me. > >> >> With the definition, perhaps something more inclusive such as >> "validity, value or utility" as opposed to just "validity". > Good idea, will do. > > Phil > > >> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:24 AM, Phil Barker >> <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote: >> >> I mentioned >> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-eocred-schema/2018Mar/0045.html> >> [1] in our discussion around name search for the >> credentialing organization that there were several >> relationships possible between an educational occupational >> credential and an organization as well as offeredBy. Two of >> these, accreditedBy and recognizedBy, relate to our use case >> about quality assurance >> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Quality_assurance> >> and labor market value >> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Labor_market_value> >> [2]. >> >> With the aim of keeping the number of properties to a >> minimum, can we treat accreditation as a form of recognition? >> >> Should we add recognizedBy as a property of >> EducationalOccupationalCredential? >> >> Definition: An organization that acknowledges the validity of >> a credential. >> >> Note: This recognition may include a process of quality >> assurance or accreditation. >> >> Examples: >> <law degree> recognizedBy <bar association> >> <certificate> recognizedBy <trade body> >> <mba degree> recognizedBy <AMBA> >> >> Phil >> >> 1. >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-eocred-schema/2018Mar/0045.html >> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-eocred-schema/2018Mar/0045.html> >> >> 2. Use cases: >> https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases >> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases> >> >> -- >> >> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. >> http://people.pjjk.net/phil >> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance >> learning; information systems for education. >> CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in >> education technology. >> >> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited >> company, number SC569282. >> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, >> registered in England number OC399090 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart A. Sutton, Metadata Consultant >> Associate Professor Emeritus, University of Washington >> Information School >> Email: stuartasutton@gmail.com <mailto:stuartasutton@gmail.com> >> Skype: sasutton >> >> > > -- > > Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil > PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance > learning; information systems for education. > CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy > for innovation in education technology. > > PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited > company, number SC569282. > CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered > in England number OC399090 > > -- Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning; information systems for education. CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education technology. 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