Re: what do you mean, e-gov?

a further thought John:

Modern western (legitimate= not the result of armed coupes but elected by
the people)  Governments (e-Governments and e-governance ) exist because
the are the organs created by democratic to govern themselves

The mandate of Government officials and public servants is to comply with
the democratic processes

In that sense e-governance and e-democracy are inextricable, and constrain
each other

I agree we should try to crystallise the outcome of the discussion into
something useful

For that, we may need a self -governance process for this IG

Your input and guidance how to move forward very welcome


PDM

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote:

> John
>
> thanks for reminder of relevant  snippet in the charter, the discussion is
> zig zaging a bit, which is sometimes an outcome of evolutionary processes.
>
> Several questions were asked on the list in relation to the scope and
> processes of these IG,
> various threads came up to deal with these questions
>
> if i remember correctly, this particular thread attempts to get members
> provide input into how to  define e-Government (since there is no evidence
> how the existing working definition came into being, and whether such a
> working definition is relevant/useful to the list member as it is).
>
> The discussion started evaluating the relation e-government - e-democracy.
>
> According to literature (see related threads), is necessary to define
> e-government meaningfully within the context of legitimacy (as mandated by
> the UN for example)
>
> So basically,  members of this IG seem to agree that e-Government is  (and
> must be) a function of democracy,
>
> Its a complex issue,  so far this IG does not seem to have a procedure in
> place to enable
> the IG members for governance
> self referential loop [1])
>
> So, in a complex socio-technical world worldview, e-democracy is the
> context (read: constraint, boundary) for what this IG is about
>
> (Discuss?)
>
>
> PDM
>
>
> [1]  E-Government, E-Services and Global Processes: Joint IFIP TC 8 and TC
> 6 International Conferences, EGES 2010 and GISP 2010, Held as Part of WCC
> 2010, Brisbane, Australia, September 20-23, 2010, Proceeding Page 66
>
>
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> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM, John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Discussions of terms like "e-Democracy" are all well and good,
>> but...methinks this is the W3C eGovernment (eGov) IG
>> <http://bit.ly/Kf6vai> and "...is chartered to serve as a connector
>> among people, especially government employees, looking for ways to use
>> or promote the use of W3C technologies to improve government services
>> and operations. We believe these technologies can provide significant
>> benefit to governments of all sizes, including city, regional, and
>> national governments (and between governments), in all parts of the
>> world. We also recognize that with new technologies and a changing
>> world, new policy concerns arise; this group will also facilitate
>> discussion to focus understanding of policy and security matters
>> related to W3C technologies..."
>>
>> Sorry to be pedantic...I'm just lost why we have this continuing thread.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks Steven,
>> >
>> > I think that's rounded enough to avoid any of the broader attributes
>> given
>> > in other 'definitions' of e-democracy.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Mick http://greatemancipator.com
>> >
>> > On 4 May 2012 20:56, Steven Clift <clift@e-democracy.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As the one who coined the shortened term "e-democracy" in 1994 before
>> >> e-government, e-business, etc. were used, here is what I came up with
>> on
>> >> that one:
>> >>
>> >> http://dowire.org/wiki/E-democracy
>> >>
>> >> E-democracy represents the use of information and communication
>> >> technologies and strategies by democratic actors within political and
>> >> governance processes of local communities, nations and on the
>> international
>> >> stage. Democratic sectors/actors include governments, elected
>> officials, the
>> >> media, political organizations, and citizen/voters.
>> >>
>> >> To many, e-democracy suggests greater and more active citizen
>> >> participation enabled by the Internet, mobile communications, and other
>> >> technologies in today’s representative democracy as well as through
>> more
>> >> participatory or direct forms of citizen involvement in addressing
>> public
>> >> challenges.
>> >>
>> >> (Before sharing this definition, I used to simply say "e" or electronic
>> >> and any definition of democracy that you use. :-))
>> >>
>> >> Steven Clift
>> >> clift@e-democracy.org  - +1 612 234 7072
>> >> http://stevenclift.com - @democracy
>> >> http://e-democracy.org - @edemo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mick Phythian PhD
>> >
>> > http://greatemancipator.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Director, Web Science Operations
>> Tetherless World Constellation (RPI)
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