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RE: what do you mean, e-gov?

From: <krisdev@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:45:37 +0000
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To: "John Erickson" <olyerickson@gmail.com> , "paoladimaio10@googlemail.com" <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>
CC: "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>

To me e-Government need not mean e-Democracy.

E-Government is making Government services electronic. It could be just to service the Government needs or extend to citizens. It is to improve communication with a view to simplify / speedup decision making. 

Democracy is one form of governance. Even a dictatorial government may implement e-Government as policy to simplify governance.

Thus e-Government is not synonimous with e-Democracy. E-Democracy would certainly encompass e-Governance and e-Government. Wikipedia clarifies the distinction between the three.

Kris Dev.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paola Di Maio
Sent:  07/05/2012 9.31.36 pm
To: John Erickson
Cc: eGov IG (Public)
Subject:  Re: what do you mean, e-gov?

John

thanks for reminder of relevant  snippet in the charter, the discussion is
zig zaging a bit, which is sometimes an outcome of evolutionary processes.

Several questions were asked on the list in relation to the scope and
processes of these IG,
various threads came up to deal with these questions

if i remember correctly, this particular thread attempts to get members
provide input into how to  define e-Government (since there is no evidence
how the existing working definition came into being, and whether such a
working definition is relevant/useful to the list member as it is).

The discussion started evaluating the relation e-government - e-democracy.

According to literature (see related threads), is necessary to define
e-government meaningfully within the context of legitimacy (as mandated by
the UN for example)

So basically,  members of this IG seem to agree that e-Government is  (and
must be) a function of democracy,

Its a complex issue,  so far this IG does not seem to have a procedure in
place to enable
the IG members for governance
self referential loop [1])

So, in a complex socio-technical world worldview, e-democracy is the
context (read: constraint, boundary) for what this IG is about

(Discuss?)


PDM


[1]  E-Government, E-Services and Global Processes: Joint IFIP TC 8 and TC
6 International Conferences, EGES 2010 and GISP 2010, Held as Part of WCC
2010, Brisbane, Australia, September 20-23, 2010, Proceeding Page 66






On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM, John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Discussions of terms like "e-Democracy" are all well and good,
> but...methinks this is the W3C eGovernment (eGov) IG
> <http://bit.ly/Kf6vai> and "...is chartered to serve as a connector
> among people, especially government employees, looking for ways to use
> or promote the use of W3C technologies to improve government services
> and operations. We believe these technologies can provide significant
> benefit to governments of all sizes, including city, regional, and
> national governments (and between governments), in all parts of the
> world. We also recognize that with new technologies and a changing
> world, new policy concerns arise; this group will also facilitate
> discussion to focus understanding of policy and security matters
> related to W3C technologies..."
>
> Sorry to be pedantic...I'm just lost why we have this continuing thread.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thanks Steven,
> >
> > I think that's rounded enough to avoid any of the broader attributes
> given
> > in other 'definitions' of e-democracy.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mick http://greatemancipator.com
> >
> > On 4 May 2012 20:56, Steven Clift <clift@e-democracy.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> As the one who coined the shortened term "e-democracy" in 1994 before
> >> e-government, e-business, etc. were used, here is what I came up with on
> >> that one:
> >>
> >> http://dowire.org/wiki/E-democracy
> >>
> >> E-democracy represents the use of information and communication
> >> technologies and strategies by democratic actors within political and
> >> governance processes of local communities, nations and on the
> international
> >> stage. Democratic sectors/actors include governments, elected
> officials, the
> >> media, political organizations, and citizen/voters.
> >>
> >> To many, e-democracy suggests greater and more active citizen
> >> participation enabled by the Internet, mobile communications, and other
> >> technologies in today’s representative democracy as well as through more
> >> participatory or direct forms of citizen involvement in addressing
> public
> >> challenges.
> >>
> >> (Before sharing this definition, I used to simply say "e" or electronic
> >> and any definition of democracy that you use. :-))
> >>
> >> Steven Clift
> >> clift@e-democracy.org  - +1 612 234 7072
> >> http://stevenclift.com - @democracy
> >> http://e-democracy.org - @edemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mick Phythian PhD
> >
> > http://greatemancipator.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> John S. Erickson, Ph.D.
> Director, Web Science Operations
> Tetherless World Constellation (RPI)
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>
>
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