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From: Rastas Taru <Taru.Rastas@mintc.fi>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:57:49 +0200
Message-ID: <2DE834E182705240BC41FB4AEB2E42C9E814EB@lvmex01.mintc.local>
To: "Peristeras, Vassilios" <vassilios.peristeras@deri.org>, "Antti Poikola" <antti.poikola@gmail.com>, "Jonathan Gray" <jonathan.gray@okfn.org>
Cc: "Li Ding" <dingl@cs.rpi.edu>, "eGov IG" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>

I need to hop in to your good discussion. I'm ministerial adviser in the Ministry of Communications and co-operating with Antti regarding open public data issues here in Finland. The taxonomy aspect is indeed important. I would go with Vassilios idea that subject based grouping is probably the most useful from the citizen (life events and activities like housing, transport, public safety, work etc.) and business (services necessary in everyday business lifecycle) point of view. Example: is it the grouping used in Suomi.fi portal (www.suomi.fi/suomifi/english/index.html) or any other kind (many worldwide!). This way available services could be also added to be developed further: I just figured out that for example "open jobs"- on line service (www.mol.fi) is basically open API (?) but not accessible or developers probably don't know this. Antti's well thought mind map could be arranged in the life event too I guess or perhaps the issue goes further that some sort of general "cross-border" taxonomy could be useful from developers point of view? Anyhow administrative way of grouping is no good I think as for users it shouldn't matter. In the subject based grouping, at the best links to "shared services" can be found between different administrations (perhaps affecting even goverment's service mind)?


Taru Rastas
Ministerial Adviser
Media and Communications Services
Ministry of Transport and Communications 

Tel: +358 9 160 28617
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-----Alkuperäinen viesti-----
Lähettäjä: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] Puolesta Peristeras, Vassilios
Lähetetty: 29. lokakuuta 2009 19:37
Vastaanottaja: Antti Poikola; Jonathan Gray
Kopio: Li Ding; eGov IG
Aihe: RE: generic list of public data sources

Hi Antti,

This is an interesting discussion.
I see that you are not looking for data sets but for a taxonomy.  
The quick (and dirty) way is to follow the administrative structure (more or less ministries). A good example is here [1] from FEA. 
But then you have the same problems we experienced with the grouping of
services: they can be found only if you are aware of the administrative structure. Several approaches tried to ameliorate this. The most common paradigm has been the "life-event" and "business episode" based service groupings. Can they be used for data? I wouldn't say so. 
So the question is: Is there a better way to organize governmental data from what is presented in [1]-like approaches? Don't have an answer... 
BTW, Jonathan's idea on using tags gives an interesting perspective. 


Taking the opportunity, the current issue of IEEE Intelligent Issue is on eGovernment. You may find it interesting [2].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_reference_model
[2] http://www.computer.org/portal/web/intelligent/home

-----Original Message-----
From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antti Poikola
Sent: 29 October 2009 18:34
To: Jonathan Gray
Cc: Li Ding; Antti Poikola; eGov IG
Subject: Re: generic list of public data sources

Thanks Li, Owen and Jonathan

I'm well aware that there are several sites listing the actual more or 
less open data sources like the data.gov and CKAN

I am looking a general topic list that would guide me that in my country

there are most propably some organization holding data about this, this 
and this. Ofcourse I can compile the list by going trough the existing 
data catalogues... The Owens detailed categorization was good for the 
statistical data, but statistical data is just one branch in the owerall

picture... what about the register of "Alcholo licences in a city" or 
something more weird but usefull.

Just to give you an idea i drafted out of my head a MindMap that I would

like to develope to cover the full picture.


All resource links are wellcome



Jonathan Gray wrote:
> We've also got over 680 (mostly) open data packages listed on CKAN, an
> open source registry of open data:
>   http://ckan.net/
> See, e.g.:
>   * Linking Open Data group
>     - http://ckan.net/group/lod
>   * Packages as part of EU Open Data Inventory (alpha)
>     - http://ckan.net/tag/read/eutransparency
>   * Search for tags including 'country-[...]'
>     -
> There are hopefully over 1000 UK government datasets on the way, as
> data.gov.uk is using CKAN. Regarding categories, we've found a
> flexible tag based approach quite useful.
> It would be great to ensure interoperability between CKAN and other
> open government data catalogues - so different bits of the 'open data
> ecosystem' can all talk to each other! We've started talking to Peter
> about this a bit regarding opengov.se.
> Out of interest - would anyone be interested in having an online
> meeting about this? E.g. next Tuesday (3rd November) evening at 1800
> GMT?
> Best wishes,
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