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Re: Profile requirements added for f2f3

From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:39:04 -0700
To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <b14d3445-efa5-d426-383e-e3488ca46fe0@kcoyle.net>
Antoine,

Most definitely, if anyone has thoughts already on profile requirements
they can toss them into github - and we can pull them in during the f2f
discussion. That way those ideas don't get lost. I would especially
recommend that anyone who is not going to be physically present at the
f2f take some time to record their comments. (I'll probably add some
myself because I tend to be forgetful ;-)).

My gut feeling is that our final "guidelines" will have few "MUST"s and
many more "it's a good idea to ...". I suppose that a best case scenario
would be to be able to define a few clear best practices, but we'll have
to see if we can arrive at consensus on those. Another possibility is
that we use a section of the guidelines document to record information
on current practices, perhaps showing that a variety of approaches are
workable. I think all of this is on the table and we should brainstorm
freely before making decisions.

kc

On 4/25/18 3:04 AM, Antoine Isaac wrote:
> Hi Karen,
> 
> Impressive work.
> Would it help if we start discussing these requirements before
> discussing the definition again?
> 
> We've got various definition pieces floating around. There might be
> discrepancies, but they're probably not that big - we had a resolution
> on Rob's definition after all. And if there are discrepencies, maybe it
> would be easier to iron them out in the light of the requirements,
> rather than in theory?
> Who knows, maybe there some parts of a general profile definition that
> can be left vague, because there's just no requirement to make them more
> precise - and no case where an extensive theoretical clarification on
> these parts would bring a concrete benefit.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Antoine
> 
> On 24/04/18 19:16, Karen Coyle wrote:
>> I added to github what I think is the full set of profile requirements
>> that need to be discussed at f2f3. You can find them with the label
>> "f2f3". PLEASE COMMENT IF YOU HAVE IDEAS ABOUT THESE.
>>
>> Background:
>>
>> At f2f2 we stumbled as we tried to go over the requirements for profile
>> definitions and we deferred making decisions on the profiles listed
>> under section 6.8.1 of the UCR.[1] The reason for deferring these was
>> that we were unclear on the scope of the deliverable listed as "Guidance
>> for Application Profiles". [2] The 6.8.1 requirements are listed in the
>> spreadsheet under 6.1. [3]
>>
>> The upcoming f2f is to help us clarify what we mean by "profile" and
>> what we will take on as "profile guidance" as a deliverable. (The
>> charter's definition is quite brief [4].) The suggestion of the
>> co-chairs is that we use the first part of the meeting to achieve
>> consensus on our thoughts about profiles and what that means in terms of
>> the deliverable, after which we can review the profile requirements that
>> have not yet been approved and make decisions on those.
>>
>> Looking at these requirements today you can see that there were a
>> variety of definitions in play, and they are not necessarily compatible.
>> This discussion may result in a modification of use cases as well as our
>> list of requirements. Ideally we will come out of the meeting with an
>> understanding of the Guidance deliverable that we can complete within
>> the working group's time frame, and at least the beginnings of a
>> subgroup of editors who can work on the deliverable.
>>
>> The co-chairs
>>
>> [1] https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RPFDF
>> [2] https://www.w3.org/2017/11/10-dxwg-minutes#meeting, look at the
>> section after "RESOLVED: accept 6.37..."
>> [3]
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16JmtNCz_aCWtTCSntriDWLvyPY2x-Y9dZFhAHFl55r0/edit#gid=0
>>
>> [4] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter#deliverables
>>
> 
> 

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