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Re: HTML-Note and bibliographies

From: Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 05:09:00 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJdbnOCLKCfTTAi74u_zWcLqh=aFSJ3yjqyq9uvXNf=uK3VZEg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Liam Quin <liam@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Err... I of course meant:

noteref { vertical-align: super; font-size:80%; }


On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:06 AM, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:

> In short: yes.  At least, that's my vision.
>
> Something as simple as:
>
> note { vertical-align: super; font-size:80%; }
>
> would achieve what you were talking about.  However, I think I would also
> propose that the default presentation for note is equivalent to the default
> presentation for <sup> anyway...  Since that is typically what is expected.
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 26 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:
>>
>> And that wouldn't be a problem at all in the model I proposed.  Use
>> @type="1" and *poof* - arabic numbers.  Different groups for different
>> numbering sequences if you like.
>>
>>
>> There is a more general question, then. Is there an easy *and standard*
>> way to access the number from CSS? Ie, something using note:before, a
>> standard class with a spam, something like that. If that is the case, then
>> I can control whether the arabic number would appear as superscript.
>>
>> (I was really reacting on Liam's comment that the value in the title
>> cannot have markup, ie, <sup>)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:38 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Apr 2016, at 01:40, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Comments inline:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 12:07 -0500, Shane McCarron wrote:
>>>> > There was a question in the meeting today about whether a
>>>> > bibliography
>>>> >
>>>> [...]
>>>> >    - If "type" is empty for a note, then prefer its title attribute
>>>> > for
>>>> >    display value
>>>>
>>>> In general it's poor design to take text content from attributes,
>>>> because that precludes having markup (e.g. if a bibliographic reference
>>>> italicizes "et al." in the list of authors or puts a journal volume
>>>> number in bold, or has Japanese ruby annotations). So I'm a little wary
>>>> of this. See [Quin, Rueben, Io _et. al_, 1984_b_] for details :-).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah - I am aware of this (obviously).  But I don't really have a good
>>> alternative that would be both flexible AND easy to use.  The title
>>> attribute accommodates popular citation styles (e.g., APA).   Do you have
>>> an alternate suggestion?
>>>
>>>
>>> Well… I have seen bibliographies in history (my wife is a historian)
>>> where the citation mark is an arabic number in superscript:-(
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shane McCarron
>> Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
>>
>>
>>
>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>> Digital Publishing Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Shane McCarron
> Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
>



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Shane McCarron
Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
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